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Bagua, as I haven’T been following all of the discussions in the past I might have missed it… would you mind sharing your practices with me/us and who it was you learned them from?
thankx in advance
Harry
Harry:
I learned M. Chia’s and M/ Winn’s versions of Tao Alchemy, beginning to end, as well as researching, meeting many teachers/practitioners and practicng for a few decades.
bagua
Thankx Bagua. If you don’t mind: if you were to start all over again. What would you do different… which practices would you today pick up, which would you leave away… which way would you today advise people to take if you were their teacher?
smiling
Harry
So, to my knowledge, the most basic tool of inner alchemy, the inner smile, is the best way to clean the mind of passions and desires before beginning One Cloud’s formulation.
Yes, the inner smile is a good method.
So, in my view, Michael DOES emphasize cleaning the heart of desires and passions before beginning the more advanced formulations.
It’s been a while since I listened to any of Michael’s courses. Maybe he changed them and doing it now- I don’t know. Mind and heart free of thoughts and desires- difficult task that takes more then a few years to master.
All paths aim at unity with the greater self and actualizing one’s true nature, but I think that the Daoist path is more direct in this.
You chose the path that you feel most comfortable with. As long as it inspires you to practice, you should go with it. Practice- that’s what will bring you there.
I personally don’t like the Chan methods of koans, emptiness meditations, or whatever they use, because I don’t think that they are very useful.
Chan/Zen methods have produced quiet a few enlightened masters. Emptiness meditation is also a foundation advised in Taoist texts by many Immortals.
>>Chan/Zen methods have produced quiet a few enlightened masters. Emptiness meditation is also a foundation advised in Taoist texts by many Immortals.<< *Yes, but I prefer the method offered by the One Cloud school of inner alchemy, the inner smile over emptiness. You don't need both for the same result, you pick one.
“Freed from desire, you can see the hidden mystery.
By having desire, you can only see what is visibly real.”
Tao Te ChingHi Harry:
Thats a very good questoin, I will offer my advice, I’m on overload but will get back to on this one.
bagua
HI Faj:
Fajin
Yes, but I prefer the method offered by the One Cloud school of inner alchemy, the inner smile over emptiness. You don’t need both for the same result, you pick one.
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I have a few questions.1. Did you ever meet White Cloud?
2. If there was a White Cloud, do you think he made up the formulas?
3. Why don’t you call this Mantak Chia’s school of Inner Alchemy, he braught the inner smile to this country and taught your teacher?
Doesn’t he deserve that respect?Thank You,
BaguaHello Bagua,
I appreciate your enthusiasm to continue more discussion, it seems you like discussing with me, an “arrogant taoist” who speaks like an “extremist.” I will now gladly answer your questions.
1. No, I did not meet One Cloud.
2. If there was a One Cloud, I think that he was not genius enough to make up such formulas and he learned from other sources like Mantak Chia claims, which I have accepted to be true.
3. It doesn’t matter what the name of the school is, One Cloud, Mantak, and Michael all deserve respect for what they have done. What matters TO ME is that the inner smile is here and I have learned it, and I am grateful to those stated above.
>>Thank You,
Bagua<< *You're Welcome, FajinT> at the crux of the union of energy-refinement-work with No-Map. The deep-center, the mysterious pass, the bindu teachings, the neutral space – all terms that relate to the intersection of an energetic center and the central channel, and how that gets done. Without that, qi gong just goes in circles forever, gradually tangling upon itself. >
I just want to re-emphasize that without a clear understanding of the mysterious pass, you’re missing what all the Taoist classics emphasize to be a critical point – without which alchemy does not work. It is exactly about the point of the resolution of emptiness and energy practices, that everyone is going on about.
The user-friendly reference on this is at Alchemical Taoism.com, in both the “Overview” and more so in the “Extraordinary Vessels” section, re: the core channel. Other than that, the classic readings of both Tibetan Buddhism and Taoism.
HI faj:
I think its safe to assume most people learning this work are scattered and not grounded from an alchemical point of view, so they need to cultivate this. Most of our lives we are everywhere, except inside and in the NOW. Once this is develeped, one can go anywhere.
bagua
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