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July 5, 2006 at 5:56 am #15278wendyParticipant
Alexander, during dream time I felt how I hurt you, I woke up during night and considered I would reply to you as soon my day started, as I do now.
You are a very intense person, so am I. Living life like that is very demanding. Not only for us but as well for people around. I learned to slow down, if I would live outside what I feel inside I would drive people away from me. I am not telling you this out of controlling but from my experience. Our intensity is just too much for most people, I turned inwardly and used that ‘strength’ to communicate not in the horizontal plane but in the vertical one…
Slowly I integrate the vertical into the horizontal, patience and endurance are at its place and releasing like water, slowly but persistent.But that is how I look at things, there are many ways, so maybe yours is to stand on the barricades and to throw yourself in the horizontal ‘battle’. It is not my call, but maybe it is yours….
sorry my body/brain is lacking salt, cant think straight, so I stop talking to you and nourish my body first… I released too much water/salt during too hot weather, my inner weather is out of balance 😉July 5, 2006 at 8:15 am #15280treesingerParticipantI will put my post here, since that’s where my name came up. I love to read your posts alexander, but i’m a lot like emilgee when she said that she doesn’t have a strong need to be understood and that she enjoys to read and contribute but doesn’t need to get involved in verbal sparring.
Actually, the “contribute” part, is probably more her than me. My beliefs come from my Solitary practice (which I don’t care to discuss or debate i.e. what i think about evil,etc.) and I find that I don’t get involved in any of these conversations much, b/c while I love to read them, it just isn’t something that I am passionate enough about to respond to. It’s not my “intent” on being on this forum. I do care about learning about these practices that Michael (and others) teach and I wish there were other training logs I could look at to see how others progressed/learned/experienced these things, but I don’t want to discuss my opinions and beliefs. I want to learn and read about about your practices.So, in saying this….i don’t think i would be much help if they are the only two other women posting here. But I do find it interesting that we all understand each other. Is that b/c we’re women, or just b/c of our personalities? ohwell. . . .now
i’m late for work and better get hoppin’:(oh hey, i saw your art (the wooden statues) on a web site. That is your’s right? They were beautiful. The shadows behind them great!
have a great day! 🙂
July 5, 2006 at 9:20 am #15282PeroParticipantI keep a training log here, but it`s nothing special. I keep it private because I usually only write which practice and at what time I did it. I usually only add comments if there was something I thought was worth mentioning. And I`m not practicing much of internal alchemy (basically just adding the smile to what I do) yet, so I don`t know of how much interest it would be to you.
As for the rest you four (A,W,E,T) were talking about, I just hope it doesn`t turn into a never ending circle, where nothing will really be resolved. I like reading everyones
post, however they are (well, almost). If I don`t understand something or it`s unclear to me, I`ll just ask about it.Smiling,
Peter 🙂July 5, 2006 at 7:19 pm #15284Alexander AlexisParticipantHi Wendy,
Cool that you had a dream about it. So much goes on on different levels. That’s why I said that things are working themselves out through our interactions. I feel that, that’s why I am so effing persistent.
I appreciate your feedback. Thanks. This has been a very helpful exchange, altogether. I normally do not stand on the barricades with my flamethrower in hand. I am learning a certain balance here in these conversations between what is too hot and what is too cold. Sensitivity is so important. And that is a major point in the conversation about evil. Without it, one goes too far in either direction.
Aloha, A
July 5, 2006 at 7:30 pm #15286Alexander AlexisParticipantThanks for your opinions.
“I do find it interesting that we all understand each other. Is that b/c we’re women, or just b/c of our personalities?”
I think it is a combination of the two and that it is the same for men.
“oh hey, i saw your art (the wooden statues) on a web site. That is your’s right? They were beautiful. The shadows behind them great!”
Thanks. Yes, they’re mine. They are based on the idea of sound moving through form as in singing.
I’ll have some ideas and feedback for you in your practice coming up soon.
-A
July 5, 2006 at 7:33 pm #15288Alexander AlexisParticipant“As for the rest you four (A,W,E,T) were talking about, I just hope it doesn`t turn into a never ending circle, where nothing will really be resolved.”
Not a chance, Peter.
July 5, 2006 at 7:49 pm #15290PeroParticipantYeah, lol, I forgot there`s a bunch of alchemists here, not used to that 🙂 🙂 🙂
July 5, 2006 at 8:11 pm #15292Alexander AlexisParticipantHi Emelgee,
I think this has gone the distance it needs to. I’m sorry about the heat and pressure. (I spend a lot of time in the kitchen. I’m used to it.) I got protective because I felt attacked.
I am not interested in sparring or any of the other war metaphors that have come into this conversation with the (now) four of us. I like clarification, and it seems that looks like arguing sometimes. You are certainly correct when you say: “…our conversation is probably a very good indication of the limits of discussion on this type of forum.” But what it has done that is good is given us the opportunity to see somethings that need attention.
I’m going to respond to some of the points in your message now:
I used the Capote anecdote as a humorous way to show what I believe to be the difference between typing and writing which was important to me to clarify.
“If you want to keep looking for differences you will always find them.”
Yes, that’s true. And it is always about balance. There is a time to see differences. This gives us contrast for clarity and discrimination. In MY way of looking for the whole picture I look for both the differences and the similarities. And, apparently, I like certain kinds of verbal interactions you don’t.
“I could quote all sorts of specific references …but to me that is just focusing on one little bit rather than seeing the whole picture.”
Yes, same thing again. The whole picture is the way to go. But sometimes we have to take things apart to put them together again in a way that makes sense to us. The baby and the bath water are not the same thing.
“You may find the way I talk/type/speak/intuit/verbalise confusing – I don’t really mind.”
Over time with our conversations I have come to see that there is a subtle polarity of energy between you and I. You see, when I read a statement of yours like that above I can’t help but wonder WHY you wouldn’t care to be understood by a person with whom you are talking. That is why I have asked you questions that I have found out you’d prefer not to answer. I won’t go there anymore with you.
Best, A
July 5, 2006 at 8:13 pm #15294Alexander AlexisParticipantYes. We’re always brewing something.
July 5, 2006 at 10:05 pm #15296matblackParticipanttreesinger, I appreciate your openess in offering your training log for everyone to see. i haven’t looked at it yet, but your comment:
TS**I wish there were other training logs I could look at to see how others progressed/learned/experienced these things,**
made me curious to check it out.
TS**but I don’t want to discuss my opinions and beliefs.**
yeah i know, ……..doing that can become a sort of never ending game of opininonated tennis. (sometimes going to 7 sets….uughh!)
…and although i don’t really like quoting external sources, i feel that a piece from the hua hu ching somes it up nicely why some of us don’t enjoy discussing opinins and beliefs
“does one scent appeal more than another?
do you prefer this flavour or that feeling?
is your practice sacred and your work profane?
then your mind is seperated
from itself from oneness from the taokeep your mind free of divisions and distinctions
when your mind is detatched simple and quite
then all things can exist in harmony
and you can begin to percieve the subtle truth”of course, we all have preferences and opinions to some degree, but we just don;t have to take them too seriouslly, otherwise……………..intensity, arguments,debate,…….and on and on…….
TS**I want to learn and read about about your practices.**
yeah, me too ’cause that’s what ultimatlety undoes all that crap that we hang onto in the form of opinion. it’s also intersting to see how each person is using different practices in their own individual way.
another thing about practices is that, being in the southern hemisphere, i wonder if the seasonal differences between here and there are significant or not, anyone know?
……………oh…..10:50 is that the time?………by the time I get to work, it’ll be time to go home, gotta fly
July 6, 2006 at 7:38 am #15298treesingerParticipantI feel like there’s not much on my training log to look at, I’m just kinda doing the same beginner stuff every day, so don’t expect much. I just know that I have to be in the habit of doing it now so I’ll do it later too . . . plus. . . if i keep up with this, it will be nice to look back on later.
AND . . . it helps keep me honest and a little more disciplined than I would be with just myself. i fall prey to distractions easily, but if i know that i’m going to have another day of nothing in my training log, . . . i’m more likeley to take 30 minutes or an hour for myself for this.July 6, 2006 at 7:51 am #15300PeroParticipantI feel similar. Also, this way I can see how much I really practice. I wish I kept a log before. It would be interesting to see my experiences before and compare them to now.
Anyway, I made my log public too. Though I figure if my practice becomes too personal, I`ll make it private again. Oh, and I started to write my dreams down in the log too. And well, they`re weird…July 6, 2006 at 9:14 am #15302treesingerParticipantI look forward to reading someone else’s experience. Thanks (I’m at work now, and have to get off here in a minute- just checking in). I feel like since I don’t know anyone here that I’m okay with putting personal stuff on here–not that I’ve gotten that far. Safety with strangers kinda thing. I have a book beside my bed that I write my dreams down in too. I’m off and on with keeping up with it though. At one point, I had started ?lucid dreaming? I could recognize that I was in a dream and do different things. I’d like to get to that point again,.. so your post has been an encouragement to me to really keep up with my dreams more. Thanks. Okay . . . back to work… the Man doesn’t pay me for nothing.
August 10, 2006 at 10:36 pm #15304IntelligenceParticipant2 forms of evil:
1) destructive “energy”
2) misery/suffering/hellanxiety would basically be the second, a bad diet could probably be either..
the point is “is evil good?” or “why does evil exist” or “does evil forward the good?”
this turns into issues of “is war good?”
is murder necessary?
does death separate wheat from chaff like a good round of genocide?
is nature filled with evil?
if evil is “good” in nature, is evil somehow bad for people?
Two immediate issues arise:
1) is evil as suffering just whining?
2) is evil as destruction good for you?these lead to dilemnas like is it good to be Setian?
Should I follow the Anti Christ or Christ? OOr just do a bit of both?
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