February 25, 2015 at 12:19 am #43934
this article has reminded me that 2 teachers I have previously worked with, one an yiquan teacher, the other a tai chi teacher, were always correcting my basic “simple tree” posture….. so I’ve decided to drop the practice for now until I can find a competent teacher again…….
there are just too many things I’m probably doing wrong and I can’t correct them by myself….. so I think for now I’ll revert to practicing Michael Winn’s 3 postures that he learned from the Beijing medical qigong guy….. there is much less room to err in these postures, as the knees are locked in and all the weight is on the heels….. so again, until I find a teacher who can regularly correct my form, that’s what I feel “safe” and confident to practice for now….
the article talks about a lot more though, such as yiquan as a martial art….
and there are a bunch of good articles by Gregory Fong, a yiquan lineage master who just recently passed away, on the main website http://i-chuan.netFebruary 25, 2015 at 3:20 am #43935
Certainly if you want to learn to get rooted in a tree posture, as in “Embracing the Tree” in the Iron Shirt 1 system, it is vital to have a teacher. One needs to have the posture correction, and the direct experience of being pushed on by an instructor who can guide you. Ultimately, this is a topic that can not be learned on your own.
HOWEVER, there is a difference between learning how to do the practice correctly (which a teacher is necessary for) and simply doing a guess for the purpose of making a little progress with emotional grounding. The latter can still be had, even by making flaky untrained attempts in an Yiquan simple tree pose. I wouldn’t let the article writer scare you off from trying anything in the meantime. Something is still better than nothing.
That said, if you do want some live instruction, I’m offering an Iron Shirt 1 course this upcoming summer in NC in July. Adel wrote a nice testimonial earlier on it: IS1 and Inner Smile.
See Iron Shirt 1 course for more details. It’s taught as a joint course with Andrew McCart, who does the Fusion 1 component, to enhance the emotional stability achieved through the Iron Shirt 1 grounding. I also teach a 20-min morning Yiquan standing meditation set as part of the course.
StevenFebruary 25, 2015 at 9:34 am #43937
I learned that standing tree, years ago … then I came across Michaels three simple postures in his dvd_s … Because I practice wing chun, those stances resonated more with me. Later on I came across Maoshan 5 elements zhan zuang postures form the Kun Lun system. Those KL postures are asociated with internal organs, two of them are the same as Michal teaches and there are three more … I find out, from my experience, that those simple postures are really very powerful stuff …
In addition to those 5 postures, exactly there are 6 of them, because first is neutral – I Jong posture, I discovered two more postures, which are probably from Kun Lun too. First is “fluid” heavnely posture on the toes and second is squat earth posture. This earth posture is the same as Michael teaches for the core channel, wiht praying mundra, but you squat down …
I anyone interested for those postures, you can find them in the book Kunlun, the forgotten practices … and in dvd heart of bagua, by Lao Xie – Dragon gate sanctuary …
Peace, Jox … 🙂February 27, 2015 at 5:11 am #43939
Shoten, (ùåèï), is the collective name for any climbing that culminates in a roll or somersault. Doing shoten depends on fast sprinting before the climb, and as such it is used in the with young trainees and children to build fast explosive running skills.
“Non-facts do not exist do they?”
“No, they don’t.”
“And things which do not exist do not exist anywhere, do they?”
“Now, is it possible for things which do not exist to be the object of any action, in the sense that things which do not exist anywhere can have anything done to them?
“I don’t think so.”
“Well then, when politicians speak in the Assembly, isn’t that an activity?”
“Yes, it is.”
“And if it’s an activity, they are doing something?”
“Then speech is activity, and doing something?”
“So no one speaks non-existent things: I mean, he would already, in speaking, be doing something, and you have agreed that it is impossible for non-existent things to have anything done to them by anybody. So you have committed to the view that lies never happen: if Dionysodorus speaks, he speaks factsthat is, truth.”
Most urgent is not to know immediately if some practice is done right or wrong, but becoming all-around resourceful and independent.
The sense of completeness and self-suffiency are the most important thing.
One should stop stretching oneself out towards any kind of authority and learn to solve problems by oneself whatever those might be.
Most important is to have some kind of aim, but also to be in the right way careful.
One must also develop skill of analysis etc.
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.February 27, 2015 at 8:39 am #43941
Adel made quite an inspiring testimonial. I am curious as to whether the “hunchback” corrections are related to tucking under the sacrum, or rounding the scapulae, or both…or something else? I’ve been practicing Embracing the Tree more lately and did feel a difference when I tuck my sacrum more.February 27, 2015 at 4:19 pm #43943
Her comment is really more about not being in the correct posture; it’s not just one or two things. In fact, I give my class a list of about 20 things, along with direct individualized feedback. The correct posture will feel wrong until your body has adjusted, due to improper posture habits that people pick up in their lives. This is really where you need another person. Self-correction on one’s own is insufficient.March 2, 2015 at 9:47 am #43945
I should’ve known that was the answer… 🙂March 3, 2015 at 12:18 pm #43947
My little thought experiment here is simply to imagine a situation were one doesn’t have any models in the form of representation by some teacher or for example some book; so how one proceeds? It could be very different things one could be after, but if it would be neidan, qigong and tai chi chuan; how one would quarantee one’s advancement?
One shouldn’t have too fixed opinion about anything.
In some propably quite rare case this (self-correction) must be possible.
…due to improper posture habits that people pick up in their lives…
These are not only physical but also mental.
But one should again see also difference between demonic and angelic.
For example it’s angelic to give for free and it’s demonic to ask money.
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.March 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm #43949
For certain things in the HT, it is perfectly fine to learn on one’s own, via a DVD, an audio set, even a book. Other things, it is not. Certain things you actually do need another person for. If a person really doesn’t want to ever connect with a live person, the choice is simple: either don’t choose to try to learn those topics OR accept that you will never get beyond a basic beginner level. It’s just the reality of the situation.
I know that you would probably love the idea that you may not ever need another living soul, but the truth is that you are still very much a part of a society in some way–however small–and are consequently dependent on them. This is true in the physical realm as it is in the spiritual realm. You can not completely separate yourself from the collective. You can maintain some level of independence, but you are never completely separate. Complete separation is a demonic dream.
SMarch 3, 2015 at 3:16 pm #43951
>>>But one should again see also difference between demonic and angelic.
>>>For example it’s angelic to give for free and it’s demonic to ask money.
It is DEMONIC for a STUDENT to try to extract instruction and time out of an instructor without paying for it. It is theft at best; vampire behavior at worst. No one would go to a piano teacher or a college professor and expect to get free instruction, yet for some reason people think it OK to do this in the spiritual realm. How absolutely more important it is here to actually pay for the instruction. I’ve gotten a lot of instruction myself personally from various teachers, and even demanded that they be paid by me if they gave me instructional time. Whatever job that you have that brings in money, what would you say if your boss asked you to do it, but do it for free? You wouldn’t agree to it, because the other person would be exploiting you.
Being “angelic” does not mean being a door mat.
You can help others as your main goal, without being victimized by others in the process.
SMarch 3, 2015 at 3:41 pm #43953
Good point here Steven … Agree with you … 😉
Peace, Jox 🙂March 4, 2015 at 8:06 am #43955
I actually think Steven should get paid for the service he provides on this forum!March 8, 2015 at 1:30 am #43957
I like this teacher (link address). His site has history tab on http://www.yichuankungfu.com/yichuan/history/
The writings and video are interesting, to me, and I post the link here in case someone else might enjoy. He deals with some weird ideas quite well in the interview.March 8, 2015 at 3:40 am #43959
PS. With CKF 1-4 this kind of playful expression is available with practice. In 5 animals CK allowing energy flow head to feet in postures sets up this kind of flow. Some of his postures are like Tiger and Deer in playful expression.March 9, 2015 at 8:48 pm #43961
If students dont pay then generally they hold the teaching in lower regard. However most of the best teachings I’ve had have been free.
I think the main problem with paying is that you dont know if what your getting will be any good until you hand over the money, and even if it is good it may not be for you. Personally, most things i have paid for have been a little dissapointing, but only because I’ve got awesome stuff for free. I have also come across some very expensive things, like a 10 part dvd lesson series for free that is selling for 10,000. It is just as great as healing Tao but in a different non spiritual or meditation expression. The author openly admits he ripped off millions from heaps of people all over the world, so i don’t feel guilty for not paying for his works i borrowed off of a friend 🙂
Good free teachers should really push the donation thing more instead of feeling uncomfortable about asking.
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