March 20, 2006 at 12:35 am #11843
I just read confusion over fusion and was wondering about shooting the pearl out of the head. Does being grounded mean physically rooted to the earth, like the rooting power in martial arts or is that another meaning? And does being grounded make shooting the pearl and astral travel safe because if grounding is what I think it is, then I’m ready to practice shooting the pearl.
I was going to try Michael’s stuff, but I think I’ll give Chia’s a go too. Does anybody know the main differences with Chia’s and Winn’s formulas other than shooting the pearl because other than this, they all seem pretty similar except that Mike has added Atlantean practices to it. And did Michael take some stuff out of Chia’s, other than Tibetan Powa? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
FajinMarch 20, 2006 at 3:30 am #11844
If you got the cash, buy both, each has their unique twist and its worh knowing the difference.
baguaMarch 20, 2006 at 3:35 am #11846
Thank you Bagua,
But can I ask if you practice shooting the pearl, and what does grounding mean?
Fajin + SmilesMarch 20, 2006 at 3:49 am #11848
I have shot the pearl, dont do it any more.
Grounding to me is similar to what you have developed, if it relates to sitting meditation, then its being rooted in the lower or middle tan tien, that you are rooted and have good balance in the the center, in this case of tao alchemy, the five shen are unified and harmonized in the center, whether it be the Ba Gua formed or the Earth sphere as the collection area. I think just moving the pearl out gently and continuing the formula is as effective as shooting it out. I do think there is a value at some point in the formula to atleast create an exact image of your self about you, for a variety of reasons, but there is no big hurry.
From my view, the tan tien is comprised of the meeting point of the eight extra channels, this is why we can store Qi safely there, condense it and create the pearl, it is designed for this purpose, as they are the reserviors to store and distribute Qi.
I hope this helps,
baguaMarch 20, 2006 at 3:55 am #11850
Thanks again Bagua,
If you don’t mind in answering still, because I am still curious.
You said that you can move the pearl out gently instead of shooting it. Does Michael teach moving it out gently or is this something quite simple that can be done once you’ve learned Chia’s version?
FajinMarch 20, 2006 at 10:02 am #11852
Michael teaches that the Daoist “Heavens” (simultaneous formless vibrational frequencies) are not to be found outside the body, but can be accessed by the portals formed through the kan and li practices INSIDE the body. According to this traditional cosmological model there is no need to seek the celestial energies “outside” the body as that is still the physical frequency, and still the physical plane. In other words, according to michaels take on traditional Daoist Nei Dan, there is no Heaven “out there”.
As above, so below
As without, so within.March 20, 2006 at 12:00 pm #11854
hi singing ocean:
If my memory serves me, doesn’t michael draw earth, sun, moon and planetary energies from the outside to the inside of the body, if they are already in the body why the need to draw from outside in.
“There is no heaven out there”
But there is a lot of Qi and lots of vibrations aorund us, outside of us, if not why in most of Michael’s practices, from primordial to medical qi gong he is using QI from the enviornment and directions, etc. and Primordial is presented as inner alchemy form?
baguaMarch 20, 2006 at 1:02 pm #11856
I’m just awed by the depth of discussion recently. The body seems to have all sorts of subtle connections extending beyond it’s physical boundary. Some see the physical body as a shell that encases the energy body while conversly others see the physical body as a condensation of an all surrounding (prehaps all pervading?) energy body. Found this image of nadis extending beyond the body.
RexMarch 20, 2006 at 2:17 pm #11858
No txtMarch 20, 2006 at 3:08 pm #11860March 20, 2006 at 3:14 pm #11862
I’m actually wondering if over the head is considered a part of the body. Of course, not the physical body, but part of the subtle body, if so than really the pearl is not going out of the body. Just because this is similar to the Tibetan phowa technique it doesn’t mean that it is an exact replica because I know Chia does this to magnetize frequencies from the above and then bring them back to the cauldron. I don’t really see anything wrong with that, maybe Michael should clarify this.
FajinMarch 20, 2006 at 4:49 pm #11864
To be clear, we create an exact energy replica of our regular body above us, we are creating this form, it it just one aspect to the formula. I believe it is partly a method to allow us to direclty experience we are not just our body.
This method is found in many taoist texts and teachings, people like Huang Qi Ni have this method in his books, the shooting of a pearl, not sure were he got that, leaving that out is a minor detail and in my opinion no effect on the formula.
On another point. Do we need oxygen to breath? Do we need sun light to live? Our existence is dependent on our enviornment, the external enviornment, in my view tao alchemy is partly about realizing this, we are interdependent with much around us, the formulas walk us through these inseperable relationships and we realize we are both separate but the same. When you saying from jing, to qi to shen to wu, well this is doing it, connecting to earth, sun, moon, planets, big dipper, these are the cosmic energy centers we attune to and over time we become one with them, just my experience.
At a point there is no longer “As above and so below”, there is just one, or the one comprises many aspects. there is no above and there is below, this is only NOW, which includes everything.
baguaMarch 20, 2006 at 6:03 pm #11866
Very nice experience you have shared. I know that you say we are attuned, but like you said, we connect even more to the stars, sun, etc. We are interdependant, with this I agree. You say that over time we become one with with everything, but this oneness is already present, you mean to just embrace that oneness of ourselves with the macrocosmos. I only disagreed with you on the method of practice, the HOW. That’s okay, we won’t begin this again, we will clear some things up when Michael gets back.
I would like to further continue on this pearl concept. You said that leaving it out has very little effect on the formula, am I right? But I thought that we project that replica of ourself, in the form of a pearl, out of our head in order to attract more qi from the stars, sun, etc. So, how else would you attract more qi from the above if you don’t project that pearl above your head. I’m guessing Michael’s practice is that your pearl stays in your cauldron and you attract the above into your pearl while it’s in the cauldron because he says the above is already there, not over your head.
Like we agree, the formulas isolate an aspect of the natural process, except the fact that when we do practice the natural process, we use a replica of ourself in the form of a pearl. So, I’m concerned about what to do, wether to take the pearl out of the head or leave it in the cauldron and draw energy from there to intensify that part of the process. It seems like taking it above the head is more powerful, but Michael says that the above is already below, so which is more powerful to you Bagua?
What I gather from this, is that we need to draw more qi from the above than we NATURALLY do, but which what is the most effective way of drawing qi from the above, by projecting that pearl out of your head or staying inside.
Michael says that he has learned that we should not go out of the body, but rather stay inside the body, but this is different because we are not permanently attempting to transcend the body, just for the moment to capture what we can and then return to it. Although, Michael says that since the above is already in the space inside our body, we don’t need to take that pearl out and then back in, just stay in for the whole time. So, can anyone share their view on this, which is the more effective?
Sorry if I’m repeating this, I just don’t want anyone to get me confused.
FajinMarch 20, 2006 at 6:27 pm #11868
let me clarify.
I am not saying to avoid forming the pearl, im suggesting the specefic method of “shooting it out very strongly”, like a whale shooting out water, I dont do this, even though i tried it for awhie. This is what Im saying one can leave out, ok?
As we cultivate this awareness of being one with all of life becomes more normal that exceptional, this is the fruit of our cultivation, our training. Have faith in the method and the result will manifest.
I dont think there is a such thing as one best method, it may be differnt for each person and one may change the method at different time in their life.
You can attract more QI from around, above or below with Yi, connect to it outer things and draw it back. But some attention stays inside too.
For some, they need to go out a little bit to realize they are not their body, its one aspect of fusion practice, the energy body, truly feeling it and knowing one is more that the physical, you may know it, but others may not, they need this.
I thnk Michael’s method is very safe, very grounding, this is good. There is no race in this cultivation, even if one thinks they are moving fast thru formulas, its does not matter, they go back to the basics later, there is no hurry, its the patterns and conditioning that must be resolved (whatever method one chooses), and the new you, not driven by conditioning must then live daily life based on this new you, creating new rythms and patterns that are attuned to Tao.
I believe one should stay in the body for a long time, but when one connects to earth, sun, moon, stars, they are leaving, their attention/Yi leaves and connects, it can then be braught back and it can be done with most of Yi inside. Lots of ways to do this.
baguaMarch 20, 2006 at 6:49 pm #11870
Michael advocates drawing in energy from external sources.
The practice in Chia’s Fusion of first bringing the pearl outside the body and forming an “energy body” outside the body are unnecessary in M.Winn’s view (which I share).
Chia’s method is to take your essence out side the body in order to enhance your absorbtion of these forces and then reintegrate them back in. Winn’s idea is to bring everything to the center and do all the work from there. Winn’s emphasis on identifying with your center of gravity, the earths center of gravity the solar systems center of gravity as being congruent is not emphasized in Chia’s teaching.
I think staying in the body is the best and it makes integration more automatic.
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