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(I posted this down in the original thread, but thought it important enough to re-post it up top, here, so it doesn’t scroll of un-noticed. T.)
GW> One result of this is that after many months or years of dedicated practice, many students and teachers become identified with a self-image of attainment. The mental structure of the ego assumes an identity, albeit in this instance a spiritual identity, that superficially replaces the ordinary, more pedestrian, material ego or self. This is a particular danger in any teaching, but especially in those practices that emphasize the manipulation of Qi or Prana in the form of ascending or descending channels or meridians such as Conception and Governing vessels and the Thrusting Channel (Chung Mo), or focus on energizing specific centers or Chakras in the body as in some of the classic and modern interpretations of the Indian Yogic systems. >
From the above quote, it looks like Gunther isn’t clear about the relation of stillness and the central channel, deep-centers, bindus. ie, he talks about energy moving up and down the central channel, but doesn’t mention its resolution into emptiness & light within the central channel. In classical Taoism this is talked about as the “mysterious pass”, the “yellow woman”, and other names, and its repeatedly acknowledged that if you don’t know about that then you’ll go in circles with this stuff your whole life (for instance, see Vitality Energy Spirit). Michael Winn knows about it and talks about it as the “neutral space”. There are references to it within my site in the “Overview” and “Extraordinary Vessels” sections.
This is related to the process of profoundly transcending mundane self while at the same time building a functional, coherent, “True” body. Unification point of stabilized concentration and Vast Openness.
As I mentioned before, I’m basically in nap-mode. Plenty to chew on from readings and Michael’s input.
Trunk
Alchemical Taoism.comIf Michael is in continue contact with Gunther, why not invite him to offer his current view, so speculation does not rule.
bagua
Gunther is probably too busy now that he is cerified, by Tolle himself, in the trendy Power of Now process and is active in the Aspen Co area.
b> why not invite him to offer his current view, so speculation does not rule. >
Two things:
1. My post is only my view on the article that Gunther posted. I don’t claim to really know Gunther’s full view, only my take on a slice of his article, worded such as it is. Basically, “I dunno Gunther”. I should’ve worded my post-title more carefully.2. Inviting Gunther is a good idea, why don’t you e-mail and/or call him? Here’s his contact info link. You could include a link to the threads & site here, and he can take it up, or not, as he sees fit.
http://www.aspen-consult.com/ACAContactUs.htmlMichael mentioned in a post that he is in contact with Gunther regularly, I thought he could invite him to discuss this issue. Can you Michael?
It is not at all clear to me what Gunther is being asked to clarify.
To Quantify the number of people being allegedly injured by internal alchemy,
and list his sources?To describe more specifically the injury and type of alchemy practiced?
To clarify if he was just indirectly polishing an old gripe between him and Mantak Chia?
To clarify if he himself was injured by his former practice of alchemy, and thus turned to Eckhard Tolle?
To clarify what types of qigong he is teaching, and why they are safer than other types commonly taught as part of inner alchemy training?
I think its more appropriate that whoever seeks his clarification knows what they want clarified, and that they should contact him directly.
And ask him SPECIFICALLY what they think needs clarificaation, based on his pubic posting, not on the vague demands of this forum. And then bring back their conclusions to this forum, in case gunther declines to post.
Michael
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