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Honest, Critical Review of M. Winn’s “Star Alchemy” CD II: the worst

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  • This topic has 21 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 10 years, 8 months ago by Fool Turtle.
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  • September 11, 2014 at 3:41 am #42748
    Michael Winn
    Keymaster

    Paul, aka Ramblin’ Ribosome,hereafter RR

    you’re losing IT.

    IT is some ground, any ground, for the spinning wheels in your head.

    ——
    RR:

    If you cannot see the perfect mirroring of inner and outer space meeting inside a human being as the Micro-Cosmos, then where exactly do you live? In your fantasies, in your head.
    ———

    RR:

    I’m sorry that after trying to cultivate yourself for all these years that you’ve confused the “personality” and its reactive, polarized perceptions, created by vital organ shen disconnected from each other and from their own source, for the “True Self”.

    Again, when you live in your head, it’s easy to be dis-oriented by the quick changes in identity that can easily fool someone into believing it is the most natural level of Self.

    And I’m sorry that you are grappling with concerns about your own borderline schizophrenic tendencies and feel the need to project them onto me. We’re in a planetary time period where deep shadow stuff is emerging and asking to be cleaned up.

    Maybe better to clean it up at home instead of dumping it here?

    Blessings on your Way,
    Michael

    September 15, 2014 at 1:41 am #42750
    ribosome777
    Participant

    you define vapid and shallow…

    your response to always put others down instead of addressing your flim flam new age-ery

    PATHETIC….

    it’s your life, not mine

    September 15, 2014 at 1:48 am #42752
    ribosome777
    Participant

    ridiculous lemuria mythologies

    2400 year old hero fantasies

    demonic possession instructions

    REAL GOLD micheal!

    and it really shows!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemures

    September 15, 2014 at 3:09 am #42754
    Fool Turtle
    Participant

    It’s a family joke that when one accuses another of projecting, one asks, “Are you projecting?”

    I think that one can guess the response.

    Taoist priests have a historic reputation for being charlatans, but I suppose that’s part of the fun of being ignorant. I trust the “Inner Smile” … What can fail to be a good test of this?

    September 15, 2014 at 5:38 am #42756
    c_howdy
    Participant

    An issue tree, also called a logic tree, is a graphical breakdown of a question that dissects it into its different components vertically and that progresses into details as it reads to the right.
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue_trees

    The Necromanteion or Nekromanteion (Greek: Íåêñïìáíôåῖïí) was an ancient Greek temple of necromancy devoted to Hades and Persephone. According to tradition, it was located on the banks of the Acheron river in Epirus, near the ancient city of Ephyra. This site was believed by devotees to be the door to Hades, the realm of the dead. The site is at the meeting point of the Acheron, Pyriphlegethon and Cocytus rivers, believed to flow through and water the kingdom of Hades. The meaning of the names of the rivers has been interpreted to be “joyless”, “burning coals” and “lament.”
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necromanteion

    Ovid works his way through his subject matter, often in an apparently arbitrary fashion, by jumping from one transformation tale to another, sometimes retelling what had come to be seen as central events in the world of Greek mythology and sometimes straying in odd directions. It is written in dactylic hexameter, the form of the great heroic and nationalistic epic poems, both those of the ancient tradition (the Iliad and the Odyssey) and of Ovid’s own day (the Aeneid of Virgil). It begins with the ritual “invocation of the muse”, and makes use of traditional epithets and circumlocutions. But instead of following and extolling the deeds of a human hero, it leaps from story to story with little connection.
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphoses

    Lemures may represent the wandering and vengeful spirits of those not afforded proper burial, funeral rites or affectionate cult by the living: they are not attested by tomb or votive inscriptions. Ovid interprets them as vagrant, unsatiated and potentially vengeful di manes or di parentes, ancestral gods or spirits of the underworld. To him, the rites of their cult suggest an incomprehensibly archaic, quasi-magical and probably very ancient rural tradition. Four centuries later, St. Augustine describes both the lemures and the larvae as evil and restless manes that torment and terrify the living: lares, on the other hand, are good manes
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemures

    Sorry for my broken English.

    …ridiculous lemuria mythologies…

    My suggestion is to get this Robert Temple book. Second part about Chinese divinatory practices is not good, but first part about Mediterranean oracle centres is. Temple’s main weakness is that he has seemingly uncontrollably quite scattered style of writing and he even wouldn’t allow his editors to correct his topical illogicalities.

    …demonic possession instructions…

    This is very Daoist. It’s better to stay with Abrahamic religious paradigm if one cannot accept such things.

    Neidan is not for sissies.

    HOWDY

    Ps. Let’s see if the picture comes trough. Anyway there is in the Temple’s book description about his, his wife’s and Michael Baigent’s survey in the southern Italy of one particular ancient Greek colony. This should have been poplulated by more sinister type of adepts. For example Romans seemingly have totally hated them.


    http://www.oracleofthedead.com/

    September 15, 2014 at 7:58 pm #42758
    Fool Turtle
    Participant

    I was taught to pray as a child, but better than prayer was the immersion in the unanswerable question: how is it that any of this exists? This is not an intellectual exercise–it is a celebration of mystery. Within myself is something that never began, apparently; the room was dark until the light was switched on; what gave birth to the mother of the world? How strange and marvelous!

    Some of those I’ve learned most from were shameless charlatans. Then again, maybe not. I want to thank Michael Winn, Ribosome777, Alexander Alexis, Lao Tzu, and my mom.

    “I once believed that the most important task in life was to explain its mysteries. Everything had answers if we could just ask the right questions. That was what I believed until I met BIll Dalton, an old Hopi medicine man whose Indian name was Soloho. He taught me that not every question has an answer and that the lack of an answer does not meant the question was not important to ask. Shortly before his death, Soloho asked me a final riddle. ‘What happens to the light after it becomes dark?” For one of the very few times, he answered the riddle. He said, ‘The darkness becomes its own light.’ ”

    -Healing Ceremonies, Carl Hammerschlag, MD and Howard Silverman, MD

    Oh great mystery,
    dark shining holy one,
    let me ride the questions of my heart as the leaves ride the wind in the trees,
    seeking nothing but to move with your breath of life
    as it whispers through my being,
    calling me who knows where.
    It is so hard to live without answers…
    Cracked earth longing for rain, I search the sky for moisture
    and wait for the wet, healing drops of your response.
    Help me to trust the shifting realities of light and dark,
    the breath of what is.
    Help me to put my trust in mystery.

    -Dorothy Mason, April Module, 2002

    It is hidden but always present.
    I don’t know who gave birth to it .
    It is older than the concept of God.

    – Lao Tzu

    Those who help alleviate suffering are bodhisattvas, and those in the throes of suffering of suffering are great bodhisattvas.

    – Sheng Yen

    September 15, 2014 at 9:11 pm #42760
    Fool Turtle
    Participant

    .
    Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying.
    “God, where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
    and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
    and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
    and kiss your little hands and feet when it’s time
    for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
    and keep it neat. God, my sheep and goats are yours.
    All I can say remembering you is aaayyyyy
    and aaahhhhhhhhhhhh.”
    .
    Moses could stand it no longer.
    “Who are you talking to?”
    “The one who made us and made
    the earth and made the sky.”
    .
    “Don’t talk about shoes
    and socks with God! And what’s this with your little
    hands? Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
    you’re chatting with your uncles. Only something
    that grows needs milk. Only someone with feet
    needs shoes. Not God!”
    .
    The shepherd repented
    and tore his clothes and wandered out into
    the desert. A sudden revelation came then to Moses:
    .
    You have separated me from one of my own.
    Did you come as a prophet to unite or to sever?
    I have given each being a separate and unique way
    of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.
    .
    What seems wrong to you is right for him.
    What is poison to one is honey to someone else.
    Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
    these mean nothing to me. I am apart from all that.
    .
    Ways of worshiping are not to be ranked as better
    or worse. Hindus do Hindu things. The Dravidian
    Muslims in India do what they do. It’s all praise,
    and it’s all right. I am not glorified in acts
    .
    of worship. It’s the worshipers! I don’t hear
    the words they say. I look inside at the humility.
    That broken-open lowliness is the reality. Forget
    phraseology! I want burning, burning. Be friends
    .
    with your burning. Those who pay attention to ways
    of behaving and speaking are one sort. Lovers who
    burn are another. Don’t impose a property tax
    on a burned-out village. Don’t scold the lover.
    .
    The “wrong” way he talks is better than a hundred
    “right” ways of others.
    Inside the Kaaba
    it doesn’t matter which way you point
    your prayer rug!
    The ocean diver doesn’t need snowshoes!
    The love-religion has no code or doctrine.
    Only God.
    So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
    It doesn’t need markings.
    .
    God began speaking
    deeper mysteries to Moses, vision and words,
    which cannot be recorded here. Moses left himself
    and came back. He went to eternity and came
    back here. Many times this happened.
    .
    It’s foolish of me
    to try and say this. If I did say it,
    it would uproot human intelligence.
    .
    Moses ran after the shepherd, following the bewildered
    footprints,
    in one place moving like a castle
    across a chessboard. In another, sideways,
    like a bishop.
    Now surging like a wave cresting,
    now sliding down like a fish,
    with always his feet
    making geomancy symbols in the sand,
    recording his
    wandering state.
    .
    Moses finally caught up with him.
    “I was wrong. God has revealed to me that there are
    no rules for worship. Say whatever and however
    your loving tells you to.
    Your sweetest blasphemy
    is the truest devotion. Through you a whole world
    is freed.
    Loosen your tongue and don’t worry
    what comes out. It’s all the light of the spirit.”
    .
    The shepherd replied, “Moses, Moses,
    I’ve gone beyond even that.
    You applied the whip,
    and my horse shied and jumped out of itself.
    The divine nature and my human nature came together.
    Bless your scolding hand.
    .
    I can’t say what has happened.
    What I’m saying now is not my real condition.
    It can’t be said.”
    .
    The shepherd grew quiet.
    When you look in a mirror, you see yourself,
    not the state of the mirror.
    The flute player
    gives breath into a flute, and who makes the music?
    The flute player!
    Whenever you speak praise
    or thanksgiving to God, it’s always like
    this dear shepherd’s simplicity.

    .
    ~ Rumi
    translation by Coleman Barks

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