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March 2, 2007 at 12:03 am #21399
Just a quick thought on world dynamics, but how can you understand the dynamics of the world without understanding what people want?
if we espouse cosmology, philosophy and religion we are left with those,
but if we propose that these are flimsy and half respected, half accepted, then we are left with something else:
who cares about the true destiny and origin of life or soul?
if you gave up, you are probably just living for the moment, but is this even the case?
what is the purpose in life of the taoist?
do these people really seek these goals or do they live for themselves and what is best for them, and is there anything wrong with that?
you have got to understand this psychology, this genuine philosophy to understand he global dynamic..
if these taoists premises are true, we have found a genuine purposeMarch 2, 2007 at 6:22 am #21400
Oh, you are truelly a Great Master…
You have the openness of thousands skies,
The humility of a working ant,
The intelligence of the Universe is working through you
and you show us the way, we humble servants, we blind dwarves of the innerworld,
we deaf creatures for we do not hear the magnificent sound of creation.
You seem to know, oh great Lord of Ultimate Intelligence.
We bow for your Greatness and we drink your words as pure truth.
May your words open our blind eyes, and help us hear that mysterious anonymous voice that fills us with the same kindness, love and compassion you express.
Your never ending patience of your sweet loving heart is like a compass for us, lost souls.March 2, 2007 at 10:02 am #21402
– what are you actually practicing at the moment? Best NNMarch 2, 2007 at 5:30 pm #21404March 2, 2007 at 6:04 pm #21406March 2, 2007 at 7:08 pm #21408
… what is your actual method for attaining patience? NNMarch 2, 2007 at 8:40 pm #21410
the subject is identifying global purpose..
then you can tell your kids via a nice global map what people are aiming towards across the world and what they have been seeking throughout history..March 3, 2007 at 6:30 am #21412
… for today!
I mean, over the period you have been here there have been quite a number of subjects at hand haven’t there?
Burning questions have included the keys of enoch and the emerald cloister and their relationship to taoism. Also the king james bible and its relation to taoism. Also the jewish bible and its relation to taoism.
With serious work over many years, it is possible that questions like that could be answered, but these were just your first few concerns.
We then had neutron windows and their relationship to yuan chi, the concept of the ray of will, the pentacle of christ versus the pentacle of the qlippoth, darwinism and its relation to taoism, christianity vs. gnosticism, the question of whether stars blow out gold when they go supernova, questions concerning cannibalism and the sacred, the question of whether love=god=life after death=sacrifice, the question why love turns to hate, the question of entheogens as the best way to experience the divine, the question of whether tao is geometric, the question of whether god is geometric, the question of whether god=tao and so on and on…
Your current quest is to find out what people mean by god and what they want and make a map of it. If you really and truly believe this is an important enough thing to do, I am sure you could do it – you are certainly ‘intelligent’ enough. But why should anyone talk seriously to you on this topic when they know that it will quickly disappear and be replaced by something else, like all the others?
What I feel Mr Intelligence is that you know alot and read alot of books. What you are trying to do is make all the books match up into one big map which will intellectually explain everything. Not only are you not going to succeed, you are going to drive yourself crazy trying. Your mind is on overdrive trying to piece everything together, but you won’t succeed in the way you are going.
Why don’t you try actually practising something that has a hope of delivering a real answer?
Best NNMarch 3, 2007 at 7:18 am #21414
You absolutely remind me of the boyfriend (19y) of my oldest daughter (16y). The guy is super-intelligent, beyond the standard IQ tests and he claimes there is nothing more to learn for him. He skipped three classes in school at once and is already teaching to people much older than himself, writing books, writing theaterplays, writing scripts for tv, etc. His ego is as big as his Intelligence… yet he claims to be as humble as God himself 😉
Yet I asked myself why does a guy like him ends up with my daughter, what is it in her that he finds obviously attractive enough, read good enough for his standards, to start a relationship.
She has something he is struggling with despite his high IQ, named EQ. She brings him into places within himself he can not see from his tower. I am very very proud of her. I wonder who is the ‘most intelligent’ as a whole being.March 3, 2007 at 10:22 am #21416
what is the purpose in life of the taoist?
In the Lao Tzu Tradition it is to come into a unified “Oneness” via through the teaching of Tao (1-37) & Te (38-81). Also with embracing the 14 heart sealed steps along the path. Read chapter 70 of Te in the Tao Te Ching:
My teaching are easy to understand
and easy to put into practice.
yet your intellect will never grasp them,
and if you try to practice them you’ll fail.
My teachings are older than the physical world.
how can you grasp their meaning?
if you want to know them look inside your heart.
For a Taoist or a student of Lao Tan the answer is already their inside of you. By embracing the teachings of Tao & Te and the 14 safety heart sealed steps we can embrace the unified oneness.
So ultimately it is “effortlessness in action”
SnowLionMarch 3, 2007 at 2:30 pm #21418
…as what Nnonnth and Snowlion have said-
From The 13th Century text called The Book of Balance and Harmony:
Drawing Back From Error
Thirty-six hundred side-door methods-
Fixated people are befuddled by them;
Daily wasting attention on reifying views;
When will they ever understand Life
and return to the root?
Why speak of exceptional attainment
Of intellectual brilliance?
Expertise in intellectual knowledge
Is not worth discussing.
All forms and names,
All external characterizations,
Ultimately amount to no more
Than so much mental gymnastics.
* * *March 3, 2007 at 2:37 pm #21420
I like to think of the same factor as the “HQ” – the Heart Quotient.March 3, 2007 at 3:07 pm #21422
“What you are trying to do is make all the books match up into one big map which will intellectually explain everything. Not only are you not going to succeed, you are going to drive yourself crazy trying. Your mind is on overdrive trying to piece everything together, but you won’t succeed in the way you are going.”
You really have him here, Nnonnth, but a horse won’t drink until it’s thirsty. And since we horses are human ones, there is an extra factor involved. We’re the only ones on earth who will vigorously deny that we are thirsty in order to protect our viewpoint.
So as I look at this, which is in all of us to some extent, and since it’s been a big issue for me personally to have to deal with people who are fixed and blocking, I have looked for a way to be at peace with this tendency in us. I am now practicing the idea that maybe it’s perfect for us to do this because that is what we need to experience to heal ourselves. Maybe the only way for Mr. Intelligence to heal (find what he wants) is to be as extreme as he presents himself here. And maybe we have to allow for that, and process in the same way whatever comes up for us, when we interact with him.
So we’re back to square one- from Mat’s post above- “…the highest and most potent form of intelligence- divine love.”
AlexanderMarch 3, 2007 at 9:51 pm #21424March 4, 2007 at 7:58 pm #21426
First off.. this whole “assume everyone is heady heady head centered thing” is bogus.. some people are, some aren’t but really..
second, constantly talking about healing sounds WAY too much like Stuart Smalley on SNL..
third.. the name intelligence was never meant as anything more than a quick login name for the hell of it..
any of the topics I have presented here are incredibly basic.. they are just presented to a taoist forum.. about as basic as why we are at war with iraq and what the proof and reasoning are
was jesus a taoist? what about hell.. etc
Complicated topics are stuff like chemical florescense, mirroring angles on telescopes..
these things are basic.
and most come down to whether people should be good and why, what does taoism have to say etc..
someone has got to prove chi kung objectively.. the brain and cns are just way to impressionable, deludable, trickable..
as long as anyone can sucessfully argue that chi kung is a mental programming system that creates believers then it will need to be proven in some other form..
i personally think it is true but that is not going to do much good for who people have no experience of it and cannot see it on an mri..
if it’s true it needs to be proven and incorporated into the powers of contemporary medicine and space technology.. then everyone can celebrate and there will be no doubt..
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