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January 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm #38324Michael WinnKeymaster
note: morereasons to favor qigong for therapy – it’s gentler and safer. When will the public catch on? – Michael
How Yoga Can Wreck Your Body
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
On a cold Saturday in early 2009, Glenn Black, a yoga teacher of nearly four decades, whose devoted clientele includes a number of celebrities and prominent gurus, was giving a master class at Sankalpah Yoga in Manhattan. Black is, in many ways, a classic yogi: he studied in Pune, India, at the institute founded by the legendary B. K. S. Iyengar, and spent years in solitude and meditation. He now lives in Rhinebeck, N.Y., and often teaches at the nearby Omega Institute, a New Age emporium spread over nearly 200 acres of woods and gardens. He is known for his rigor and his down-to-earth style. But this was not why I sought him out: Black, Id been told, was the person to speak with if you wanted to know not about the virtues of yoga but rather about the damage it could do. Many of his regular clients came to him for bodywork or rehabilitation following yoga injuries. This was the situation I found myself in. In my 30s, I had somehow managed to rupture a disk in my lower back and found I could prevent bouts of pain with a selection of yoga postures and abdominal exercises. Then, in 2007, while doing the extended-side-angle pose, a posture hailed as a cure for many diseases, my back gave way. With it went my belief, naïve in retrospect, that yoga was a source only of healing and never harm.
At Sankalpah Yoga, the room was packed; roughly half the students were said to be teachers themselves. Black walked around the room, joking and talking. Is this yoga? he asked as we sweated through a pose that seemed to demand superhuman endurance. It is if youre paying attention. His approach was almost free-form: he made us hold poses for a long time but taught no inversions and few classical postures. Throughout the class, he urged us to pay attention to the thresholds of pain. I make it as hard as possible, he told the group. Its up to you to make it easy on yourself. He drove his point home with a cautionary tale. In India, he recalled, a yogi came to study at Iyengars school and threw himself into a spinal twist. Black said he watched in disbelief as three of the mans ribs gave way pop, pop, pop.
After class, I asked Black about his approach to teaching yoga the emphasis on holding only a few simple poses, the absence of common inversions like headstands and shoulder stands. He gave me the kind of answer youd expect from any yoga teacher: that awareness is more important than rushing through a series of postures just to say youd done them. But then he said something more radical. Black has come to believe that the vast majority of people should give up yoga altogether. Its simply too likely to cause harm.
Not just students but celebrated teachers too, Black said, injure themselves in droves because most have underlying physical weaknesses or problems that make serious injury all but inevitable. Instead of doing yoga, they need to be doing a specific range of motions for articulation, for organ condition, he said, to strengthen weak parts of the body. Yoga is for people in good physical condition. Or it can be used therapeutically. Its controversial to say, but it really shouldnt be used for a general class.
Black seemingly reconciles the dangers of yoga with his own teaching of it by working hard at knowing when a student shouldnt do something the shoulder stand, the headstand or putting any weight on the cervical vertebrae. Though he studied with Shmuel Tatz, a legendary Manhattan-based physical therapist who devised a method of massage and alignment for actors and dancers, he acknowledges that he has no formal training for determining which poses are good for a student and which may be problematic. What he does have, he says, is a ton of experience.
To come to New York and do a class with people who have many problems and say, O.K., were going to do this sequence of poses today it just doesnt work.
According to Black, a number of factors have converged to heighten the risk of practicing yoga. The biggest is the demographic shift in those who study it. Indian practitioners of yoga typically squatted and sat cross-legged in daily life, and yoga poses, or asanas, were an outgrowth of these postures. Now urbanites who sit in chairs all day walk into a studio a couple of times a week and strain to twist themselves into ever-more-difficult postures despite their lack of flexibility and other physical problems. Many come to yoga as a gentle alternative to vigorous sports or for rehabilitation for injuries. But yogas exploding popularity the number of Americans doing yoga has risen from about 4 million in 2001 to what some estimate to be as many as 20 million in 2011 means that there is now an abundance of studios where many teachers lack the deeper training necessary to recognize when students are headed toward injury. Today many schools of yoga are just about pushing people, Black said. You cant believe whats going on teachers jumping on people, pushing and pulling and saying, You should be able to do this by now. It has to do with their egos.
When yoga teachers come to him for bodywork after suffering major traumas, Black tells them, Dont do yoga.
This article is adapted from The Science of Yoga: The Risks and Rewards, by William J. Broad, to be published next month by Simon & Schuster. Broad is a senior science writer at The Times.
January 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm #38325c_howdyParticipantnote: This investigative report confirms what I have felt all along: Castaneda was working for the Dark Side.
A supreme manipulator and super controller whose “witches” likely committed suicide to “be with him” after his death from liver cancer. His Tensegrity is basically hard, martial style qigong, perfect for angry weekend warriors, Get the juicy details below. – MichaelMy name is Armando Torres. I have written this book in order to complete a task that was assigned to me years ago.
In October 1984, I met Carlos Castaneda, a controversial anthropologist and a writer on the subject of sorcery. At the time I was still quite young. In my quest for answers, I had looked into various spiritual traditions and I wanted to find a teacher. But, from the very beginning, Carlos was very clear in this respect:
“I don’t promise anything, he said; I am not a guru. Freedom is an individual choice, and each one of us must assume the responsibility of fighting for it.”
In one of the first talks that I attended, he severely criticized the kind of human idolatry that induces us to follow others, and to expect ready-made answers from them. He said that this attitude is a remnant of our herd mentality.
“Whoever sincerely wants to penetrate the teachings of sorcerers does not need guides. It is sufficient to have a genuine interest – and guts of steel. He will, by himself, find everything he needs through an unbending intent.”
-ARMANDO TORRES, Encounters with the NagualLike Tom Brown Jr., the Gracies, Masaaki Hatsumi, Dan Inasanto, and a million others, the Lin Kuei have also come under fire from the web militia.
-http://linkuei.com/I don’t think hatha yoga really necessarily wrecks one’s body, but of course for somebody with weak constitution it can do that.
And also some things are not only for special force operators or Olympic Games Athletes. I mean maybe there is some misunderstanding concerning “angry weekend warriors.”
Association with jealous, stubborn and stupid weaklings can harm both one’s spirit and body.
This was not meant to be any way nasty comment, but it is like that in my opinion.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYRmnUGBVCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHRsDuhFcTE&feature=relatedJanuary 8, 2012 at 9:40 pm #38327adelParticipantWhen I was first looking for a
path to heal some work related
pain I investigated yoga. After
doing a few classes with different
teachers I found myself feeling
worse. It seemed like it was a
kind of boot camp mentality
where the harder you work the
more you accomplish which didn’t
feel right.As a woman, I also did not feel
that any of the instructors (who
had been practicing yoga for years)
were beautiful in the sense of
moistness. Everyone had dry skin
and hair, I didn’t feel any sex-
iness which made me wary. I didn’t
want to be like that.Then I joined in with a group
of chinese ladies in the park
doing chi gung. They were friendly
and helpful. After the movements
I felt an internal flow that I hadn’t
felt since I was a kid. That got me
to the library where I found Chia
and led me to Winn.Glad to be here, Adel
January 9, 2012 at 12:03 am #38329c_howdyParticipantWhat I simply meant is that it can work well and be useful if one is careful.
But one might somehow became wary with some of the religious aspects.
My personal choice would be Bihar School of Yoga from India because they have all kinds of people from sanyasis through singles to family persons and they have good selection of techniques.
But as completely physical discipline good starting point would be DAVID H. COULTER’S book Anatomy of Hatha Yoga, IMHO. Is has good points to make about all aspects, also about very basic meditation and breathing, and also about inverted postures like Sirsasana and Sarvangasana. In Ananda Marga they for example don’t like to teach inverted postures, because these are supposed to be too dangerous. Dadas of course are exception.
I personally mix practices from very different traditions and it’s not clearly working for all.
I’m sorry for nudity if picture below comes through.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EIA6_iARM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNDvoxI3ckJanuary 9, 2012 at 9:41 am #38331StevenModerator(Page 2 of 5)
They look at me like Im crazy, he goes on to say. And I know if they continue, they wont be able to take it. I asked him about the worst injuries hed seen. He spoke of well-known yoga teachers doing such basic poses as downward-facing dog, in which the body forms an inverted V, so strenuously that they tore Achilles tendons. Its ego, he said. The whole point of yoga is to get rid of ego. He said he had seen some pretty gruesome hips. One of the biggest teachers in America had zero movement in her hip joints, Black told me. The sockets had become so degenerated that she had to have hip replacements. I asked if she still taught. Oh, yeah, Black replied. There are other yoga teachers that have such bad backs they have to lie down to teach. Id be so embarrassed.
Among devotees, from gurus to acolytes forever carrying their rolled-up mats, yoga is described as a nearly miraculous agent of renewal and healing. They celebrate its abilities to calm, cure, energize and strengthen. And much of this appears to be true: yoga can lower your blood pressure, make chemicals that act as antidepressants, even improve your sex life. But the yoga community long remained silent about its potential to inflict blinding pain. Jagannath G. Gune, who helped revive yoga for the modern era, made no allusion to injuries in his journal Yoga Mimansa or his 1931 book Asanas. Indra Devi avoided the issue in her 1953 best seller Forever Young, Forever Healthy, as did B. K. S. Iyengar in his seminal Light on Yoga, published in 1965. Reassurances about yogas safety also make regular appearances in the how-to books of such yogis as Swami Sivananda, K. Pattabhi Jois and Bikram Choudhury. Real yoga is as safe as mothers milk, declared Swami Gitananda, a guru who made 10 world tours and founded ashrams on several continents.
But a growing body of medical evidence supports Blacks contention that, for many people, a number of commonly taught yoga poses are inherently risky. The first reports of yoga injuries appeared decades ago, published in some of the worlds most respected journals among them, Neurology, The British Medical Journal and The Journal of the American Medical Association. The problems ranged from relatively mild injuries to permanent disabilities. In one case, a male college student, after more than a year of doing yoga, decided to intensify his practice. He would sit upright on his heels in a kneeling position known as vajrasana for hours a day, chanting for world peace. Soon he was experiencing difficulty walking, running and climbing stairs.
Doctors traced the problem to an unresponsive nerve, a peripheral branch of the sciatic, which runs from the lower spine through the buttocks and down the legs. Sitting in vajrasana deprived the branch that runs below the knee of oxygen, deadening the nerve. Once the student gave up the pose, he improved rapidly. Clinicians recorded a number of similar cases and the condition even got its own name: yoga foot drop.
More troubling reports followed. In 1972 a prominent Oxford neurophysiologist, W. Ritchie Russell, published an article in The British Medical Journal arguing that, while rare, some yoga postures threatened to cause strokes even in relatively young, healthy people. Russell found that brain injuries arose not only from direct trauma to the head but also from quick movements or excessive extensions of the neck, such as occur in whiplash or certain yoga poses. Normally, the neck can stretch backward 75 degrees, forward 40 degrees and sideways 45 degrees, and it can rotate on its axis about 50 degrees. Yoga practitioners typically move the vertebrae much farther. An intermediate student can easily turn his or her neck 90 degrees nearly twice the normal rotation.
Hyperflexion of the neck was encouraged by experienced practitioners. Iyengar emphasized that in cobra pose, the head should arch as far back as possible and insisted that in the shoulder stand, in which the chin is tucked deep in the chest, the trunk and head forming a right angle, the body should be in one straight line, perpendicular to the floor. He called the pose, said to stimulate the thyroid, one of the greatest boons conferred on humanity by our ancient sages.
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Extreme motions of the head and neck, Russell warned, could wound the vertebral arteries, producing clots, swelling and constriction, and eventually wreak havoc in the brain. The basilar artery, which arises from the union of the two vertebral arteries and forms a wide conduit at the base of the brain, was of particular concern. It feeds such structures as the pons (which plays a role in respiration), the cerebellum (which coordinates the muscles), the occipital lobe of the outer brain (which turns eye impulses into images) and the thalamus (which relays sensory messages to the outer brain). Reductions in blood flow to the basilar artery are known to produce a variety of strokes. These rarely affect language and conscious thinking (often said to be located in the frontal cortex) but can severely damage the bodys core machinery and sometimes be fatal. The majority of patients suffering such a stroke do recover most functions. But in some cases headaches, imbalance, dizziness and difficulty in making fine movements persist for years.
Russell also worried that when strokes hit yoga practitioners, doctors might fail to trace their cause. The cerebral damage, he wrote, may be delayed, perhaps to appear during the night following, and this delay of some hours distracts attention from the earlier precipitating factor.
In 1973, a year after Russells paper was published, Willibald Nagler, a renowned authority on spinal rehabilitation at Cornell University Medical College, published a paper on a strange case. A healthy woman of 28 suffered a stroke while doing a yoga position known as the wheel or upward bow, in which the practitioner lies on her back, then lifts her body into a semicircular arc, balancing on hands and feet. An intermediate stage often involves raising the trunk and resting the crown of the head on the floor. While balanced on her head, her neck bent far backward, the woman suddenly felt a severe throbbing headache. She had difficulty getting up, and when helped into a standing position, was unable to walk without assistance. The woman was rushed to the hospital. She had no sensation on the right side of her body; her left arm and leg responded poorly to her commands. Her eyes kept glancing involuntarily to the left. And the left side of her face showed a contracted pupil, a drooping upper eyelid and a rising lower lid a cluster of symptoms known as Horners syndrome. Nagler reported that the woman also had a tendency to fall to the left.
Her doctors found that the womans left vertebral artery, which runs between the first two cervical vertebrae, had narrowed considerably and that the arteries feeding her cerebellum had undergone severe displacement. Given the lack of advanced imaging technologies at the time, an exploratory operation was conducted to get a clearer sense of her injuries. The surgeons who opened her skull found that the left hemisphere of her cerebellum suffered a major failure of blood supply that resulted in much dead tissue and that the site was seeped in secondary hemorrhages.
The patient began an intensive program of rehabilitation. Two years later, she was able to walk, Nagler reported, with [a] broad-based gait. But her left arm continued to wander and her left eye continued to show Horners syndrome. Nagler concluded that such injuries appeared to be rare but served as a warning about the hazards of forceful hyperextension of the neck. He urged caution in recommending such postures, particularly to individuals of middle age.
The experience of Naglers patient was not an isolated incident. A few years later, a 25-year-old man was rushed to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, in Chicago, complaining of blurred vision, difficulty swallowing and controlling the left side of his body. Steven H. Hanus, a medical student at the time, became interested in the case and worked with the chairman of the neurology department to determine the cause (he later published the results with several colleagues). The patient had been in excellent health, practicing yoga every morning for a year and a half. His routine included spinal twists in which he rotated his head far to the left and far to the right. Then he would do a shoulder stand with his neck maximally flexed against the bare floor, just as Iyengar had instructed, remaining in the inversion for about five minutes. A series of bruises ran down the mans lower neck, which, the team wrote in The Archives of Neurology, resulted from repeated contact with the hard floor surface on which he did yoga exercises. These were a sign of neck trauma. Diagnostic tests revealed blockages of the left vertebral artery between the c2 and c3 vertebrae; the blood vessel there had suffered total or nearly complete occlusion in other words, no blood could get through to the brain.
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Two months after his attack, and after much physical therapy, the man was able to walk with a cane. But, the team reported, he continued to have pronounced difficulty performing fine movements with his left hand. Hanus and his colleagues concluded that the young mans condition represented a new kind of danger. Healthy individuals could seriously damage their vertebral arteries, they warned, by neck movements that exceed physiological tolerance. Yoga, they stressed, should be considered as a possible precipitating event. In its report, the Northwestern team cited not only Naglers account of his female patient but also Russells early warning. Concern about yogas safety began to ripple through the medical establishment.
These cases may seem exceedingly rare, but surveys by the Consumer Product Safety Commission showed that the number of emergency-room admissions related to yoga, after years of slow increases, was rising quickly. They went from 13 in 2000 to 20 in 2001. Then they more than doubled to 46 in 2002. These surveys rely on sampling rather than exhaustive reporting they reveal trends rather than totals but the spike was nonetheless statistically significant. Only a fraction of the injured visit hospital emergency rooms. Many of those suffering from less serious yoga injuries go to family doctors, chiropractors and various kinds of therapists.
Around this time, stories of yoga-induced injuries began to appear in the media. The Times reported that health professionals found that the penetrating heat of Bikram yoga, for example, could raise the risk of overstretching, muscle damage and torn cartilage. One specialist noted that ligaments the tough bands of fiber that connect bones or cartilage at a joint failed to regain their shape once stretched out, raising the risk of strains, sprains and dislocations.
In 2009, a New York City team based at Columbia Universitys College of Physicians and Surgeons published an ambitious worldwide survey of yoga teachers, therapists and doctors. The answers to the surveys central question What were the most serious yoga-related injuries (disabling and/or of long duration) they had seen? revealed that the largest number of injuries (231) centered on the lower back. The other main sites were, in declining order of prevalence: the shoulder (219), the knee (174) and the neck (110). Then came stroke. The respondents noted four cases in which yogas extreme bending and contortions resulted in some degree of brain damage. The numbers werent alarming but the acknowledgment of risk nearly four decades after Russell first issued his warning pointed to a decided shift in the perception of the dangers yoga posed.
In recent years, reformers in the yoga community have begun to address the issue of yoga-induced damage. In a 2003 article in Yoga Journal, Carol Krucoff a yoga instructor and therapist who works at the Integrative Medicine center at Duke University in North Carolina revealed her own struggles. She told of being filmed one day for national television and after being urged to do more, lifting one foot, grabbing her big toe and stretching her leg into the extended-hand-to-big-toe pose. As her leg straightened, she felt a sickening pop in her hamstring. The next day, she could barely walk. Krucoff needed physical therapy and a year of recovery before she could fully extend her leg again. The editor of Yoga Journal, Kaitlin Quistgaard, described reinjuring a torn rotator cuff in a yoga class. Ive experienced how yoga can heal, she wrote. But Ive also experienced how yoga can hurt and Ive heard the same from plenty of other yogis.
One of the most vocal reformers is Roger Cole, an Iyengar teacher with degrees in psychology from Stanford and the University of California, San Francisco. Cole has written extensively for Yoga Journal and speaks on yoga safety to the American College of Sports Medicine. In one column, Cole discussed the practice of reducing neck bending in a shoulder stand by lifting the shoulders on a stack of folded blankets and letting the head fall below it. The modification eases the angle between the head and the torso, from 90 degrees to perhaps 110 degrees. Cole ticked off the dangers of doing an unmodified shoulder stand: muscle strains, overstretched ligaments and cervical-disk injuries.
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But modifications are not always the solution. Timothy McCall, a physician who is the medical editor of Yoga Journal, called the headstand too dangerous for general yoga classes. His warning was based partly on his own experience. He found that doing the headstand led to thoracic outlet syndrome, a condition that arises from the compression of nerves passing from the neck into the arms, causing tingling in his right hand as well as sporadic numbness. McCall stopped doing the pose, and his symptoms went away. Later, he noted that the inversion could produce other injuries, including degenerative arthritis of the cervical spine and retinal tears (a result of the increased eye pressure caused by the pose). Unfortunately, McCall concluded, the negative effects of headstand can be insidious.
Almost a year after I first met Glenn Black at his master class in Manhattan, I received an e-mail from him telling me that he had undergone spinal surgery. It was a success, he wrote. Recovery is slow and painful. Call if you like.
The injury, Black said, had its origins in four decades of extreme backbends and twists. He had developed spinal stenosis a serious condition in which the openings between vertebrae begin to narrow, compressing spinal nerves and causing excruciating pain. Black said that he felt the tenderness start 20 years ago when he was coming out of such poses as the plow and the shoulder stand. Two years ago, the pain became extreme. One surgeon said that without treatment, he would eventually be unable to walk. The surgery took five hours, fusing together several lumbar vertebrae. He would eventually be fine but was under surgeons orders to reduce strain on his lower back. His range of motion would never be the same.
Black is one of the most careful yoga practitioners I know. When I first spoke to him, he said he had never injured himself doing yoga or, as far as he knew, been responsible for harming any of his students. I asked him if his recent injury could have been congenital or related to aging. No, he said. It was yoga. You have to get a different perspective to see if what youre doing is going to eventually be bad for you.
Black recently took that message to a conference at the Omega Institute, his feelings on the subject deepened by his recent operation. But his warnings seemed to fall on deaf ears. I was a little more emphatic than usual, he recalled. My message was that Asana is not a panacea or a cure-all. In fact, if you do it with ego or obsession, youll end up causing problems. A lot of people dont like to hear that.
January 9, 2012 at 9:41 am #38333StevenModerator(Page 2 of 5)
They look at me like Im crazy, he goes on to say. And I know if they continue, they wont be able to take it. I asked him about the worst injuries hed seen. He spoke of well-known yoga teachers doing such basic poses as downward-facing dog, in which the body forms an inverted V, so strenuously that they tore Achilles tendons. Its ego, he said. The whole point of yoga is to get rid of ego. He said he had seen some pretty gruesome hips. One of the biggest teachers in America had zero movement in her hip joints, Black told me. The sockets had become so degenerated that she had to have hip replacements. I asked if she still taught. Oh, yeah, Black replied. There are other yoga teachers that have such bad backs they have to lie down to teach. Id be so embarrassed.
Among devotees, from gurus to acolytes forever carrying their rolled-up mats, yoga is described as a nearly miraculous agent of renewal and healing. They celebrate its abilities to calm, cure, energize and strengthen. And much of this appears to be true: yoga can lower your blood pressure, make chemicals that act as antidepressants, even improve your sex life. But the yoga community long remained silent about its potential to inflict blinding pain. Jagannath G. Gune, who helped revive yoga for the modern era, made no allusion to injuries in his journal Yoga Mimansa or his 1931 book Asanas. Indra Devi avoided the issue in her 1953 best seller Forever Young, Forever Healthy, as did B. K. S. Iyengar in his seminal Light on Yoga, published in 1965. Reassurances about yogas safety also make regular appearances in the how-to books of such yogis as Swami Sivananda, K. Pattabhi Jois and Bikram Choudhury. Real yoga is as safe as mothers milk, declared Swami Gitananda, a guru who made 10 world tours and founded ashrams on several continents.
But a growing body of medical evidence supports Blacks contention that, for many people, a number of commonly taught yoga poses are inherently risky. The first reports of yoga injuries appeared decades ago, published in some of the worlds most respected journals among them, Neurology, The British Medical Journal and The Journal of the American Medical Association. The problems ranged from relatively mild injuries to permanent disabilities. In one case, a male college student, after more than a year of doing yoga, decided to intensify his practice. He would sit upright on his heels in a kneeling position known as vajrasana for hours a day, chanting for world peace. Soon he was experiencing difficulty walking, running and climbing stairs.
Doctors traced the problem to an unresponsive nerve, a peripheral branch of the sciatic, which runs from the lower spine through the buttocks and down the legs. Sitting in vajrasana deprived the branch that runs below the knee of oxygen, deadening the nerve. Once the student gave up the pose, he improved rapidly. Clinicians recorded a number of similar cases and the condition even got its own name: yoga foot drop.
More troubling reports followed. In 1972 a prominent Oxford neurophysiologist, W. Ritchie Russell, published an article in The British Medical Journal arguing that, while rare, some yoga postures threatened to cause strokes even in relatively young, healthy people. Russell found that brain injuries arose not only from direct trauma to the head but also from quick movements or excessive extensions of the neck, such as occur in whiplash or certain yoga poses. Normally, the neck can stretch backward 75 degrees, forward 40 degrees and sideways 45 degrees, and it can rotate on its axis about 50 degrees. Yoga practitioners typically move the vertebrae much farther. An intermediate student can easily turn his or her neck 90 degrees nearly twice the normal rotation.
Hyperflexion of the neck was encouraged by experienced practitioners. Iyengar emphasized that in cobra pose, the head should arch as far back as possible and insisted that in the shoulder stand, in which the chin is tucked deep in the chest, the trunk and head forming a right angle, the body should be in one straight line, perpendicular to the floor. He called the pose, said to stimulate the thyroid, one of the greatest boons conferred on humanity by our ancient sages.
(Page 3 of 5)
Extreme motions of the head and neck, Russell warned, could wound the vertebral arteries, producing clots, swelling and constriction, and eventually wreak havoc in the brain. The basilar artery, which arises from the union of the two vertebral arteries and forms a wide conduit at the base of the brain, was of particular concern. It feeds such structures as the pons (which plays a role in respiration), the cerebellum (which coordinates the muscles), the occipital lobe of the outer brain (which turns eye impulses into images) and the thalamus (which relays sensory messages to the outer brain). Reductions in blood flow to the basilar artery are known to produce a variety of strokes. These rarely affect language and conscious thinking (often said to be located in the frontal cortex) but can severely damage the bodys core machinery and sometimes be fatal. The majority of patients suffering such a stroke do recover most functions. But in some cases headaches, imbalance, dizziness and difficulty in making fine movements persist for years.
Russell also worried that when strokes hit yoga practitioners, doctors might fail to trace their cause. The cerebral damage, he wrote, may be delayed, perhaps to appear during the night following, and this delay of some hours distracts attention from the earlier precipitating factor.
In 1973, a year after Russells paper was published, Willibald Nagler, a renowned authority on spinal rehabilitation at Cornell University Medical College, published a paper on a strange case. A healthy woman of 28 suffered a stroke while doing a yoga position known as the wheel or upward bow, in which the practitioner lies on her back, then lifts her body into a semicircular arc, balancing on hands and feet. An intermediate stage often involves raising the trunk and resting the crown of the head on the floor. While balanced on her head, her neck bent far backward, the woman suddenly felt a severe throbbing headache. She had difficulty getting up, and when helped into a standing position, was unable to walk without assistance. The woman was rushed to the hospital. She had no sensation on the right side of her body; her left arm and leg responded poorly to her commands. Her eyes kept glancing involuntarily to the left. And the left side of her face showed a contracted pupil, a drooping upper eyelid and a rising lower lid a cluster of symptoms known as Horners syndrome. Nagler reported that the woman also had a tendency to fall to the left.
Her doctors found that the womans left vertebral artery, which runs between the first two cervical vertebrae, had narrowed considerably and that the arteries feeding her cerebellum had undergone severe displacement. Given the lack of advanced imaging technologies at the time, an exploratory operation was conducted to get a clearer sense of her injuries. The surgeons who opened her skull found that the left hemisphere of her cerebellum suffered a major failure of blood supply that resulted in much dead tissue and that the site was seeped in secondary hemorrhages.
The patient began an intensive program of rehabilitation. Two years later, she was able to walk, Nagler reported, with [a] broad-based gait. But her left arm continued to wander and her left eye continued to show Horners syndrome. Nagler concluded that such injuries appeared to be rare but served as a warning about the hazards of forceful hyperextension of the neck. He urged caution in recommending such postures, particularly to individuals of middle age.
The experience of Naglers patient was not an isolated incident. A few years later, a 25-year-old man was rushed to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, in Chicago, complaining of blurred vision, difficulty swallowing and controlling the left side of his body. Steven H. Hanus, a medical student at the time, became interested in the case and worked with the chairman of the neurology department to determine the cause (he later published the results with several colleagues). The patient had been in excellent health, practicing yoga every morning for a year and a half. His routine included spinal twists in which he rotated his head far to the left and far to the right. Then he would do a shoulder stand with his neck maximally flexed against the bare floor, just as Iyengar had instructed, remaining in the inversion for about five minutes. A series of bruises ran down the mans lower neck, which, the team wrote in The Archives of Neurology, resulted from repeated contact with the hard floor surface on which he did yoga exercises. These were a sign of neck trauma. Diagnostic tests revealed blockages of the left vertebral artery between the c2 and c3 vertebrae; the blood vessel there had suffered total or nearly complete occlusion in other words, no blood could get through to the brain.
(Page 4 of 5)
Two months after his attack, and after much physical therapy, the man was able to walk with a cane. But, the team reported, he continued to have pronounced difficulty performing fine movements with his left hand. Hanus and his colleagues concluded that the young mans condition represented a new kind of danger. Healthy individuals could seriously damage their vertebral arteries, they warned, by neck movements that exceed physiological tolerance. Yoga, they stressed, should be considered as a possible precipitating event. In its report, the Northwestern team cited not only Naglers account of his female patient but also Russells early warning. Concern about yogas safety began to ripple through the medical establishment.
These cases may seem exceedingly rare, but surveys by the Consumer Product Safety Commission showed that the number of emergency-room admissions related to yoga, after years of slow increases, was rising quickly. They went from 13 in 2000 to 20 in 2001. Then they more than doubled to 46 in 2002. These surveys rely on sampling rather than exhaustive reporting they reveal trends rather than totals but the spike was nonetheless statistically significant. Only a fraction of the injured visit hospital emergency rooms. Many of those suffering from less serious yoga injuries go to family doctors, chiropractors and various kinds of therapists.
Around this time, stories of yoga-induced injuries began to appear in the media. The Times reported that health professionals found that the penetrating heat of Bikram yoga, for example, could raise the risk of overstretching, muscle damage and torn cartilage. One specialist noted that ligaments the tough bands of fiber that connect bones or cartilage at a joint failed to regain their shape once stretched out, raising the risk of strains, sprains and dislocations.
In 2009, a New York City team based at Columbia Universitys College of Physicians and Surgeons published an ambitious worldwide survey of yoga teachers, therapists and doctors. The answers to the surveys central question What were the most serious yoga-related injuries (disabling and/or of long duration) they had seen? revealed that the largest number of injuries (231) centered on the lower back. The other main sites were, in declining order of prevalence: the shoulder (219), the knee (174) and the neck (110). Then came stroke. The respondents noted four cases in which yogas extreme bending and contortions resulted in some degree of brain damage. The numbers werent alarming but the acknowledgment of risk nearly four decades after Russell first issued his warning pointed to a decided shift in the perception of the dangers yoga posed.
In recent years, reformers in the yoga community have begun to address the issue of yoga-induced damage. In a 2003 article in Yoga Journal, Carol Krucoff a yoga instructor and therapist who works at the Integrative Medicine center at Duke University in North Carolina revealed her own struggles. She told of being filmed one day for national television and after being urged to do more, lifting one foot, grabbing her big toe and stretching her leg into the extended-hand-to-big-toe pose. As her leg straightened, she felt a sickening pop in her hamstring. The next day, she could barely walk. Krucoff needed physical therapy and a year of recovery before she could fully extend her leg again. The editor of Yoga Journal, Kaitlin Quistgaard, described reinjuring a torn rotator cuff in a yoga class. Ive experienced how yoga can heal, she wrote. But Ive also experienced how yoga can hurt and Ive heard the same from plenty of other yogis.
One of the most vocal reformers is Roger Cole, an Iyengar teacher with degrees in psychology from Stanford and the University of California, San Francisco. Cole has written extensively for Yoga Journal and speaks on yoga safety to the American College of Sports Medicine. In one column, Cole discussed the practice of reducing neck bending in a shoulder stand by lifting the shoulders on a stack of folded blankets and letting the head fall below it. The modification eases the angle between the head and the torso, from 90 degrees to perhaps 110 degrees. Cole ticked off the dangers of doing an unmodified shoulder stand: muscle strains, overstretched ligaments and cervical-disk injuries.
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But modifications are not always the solution. Timothy McCall, a physician who is the medical editor of Yoga Journal, called the headstand too dangerous for general yoga classes. His warning was based partly on his own experience. He found that doing the headstand led to thoracic outlet syndrome, a condition that arises from the compression of nerves passing from the neck into the arms, causing tingling in his right hand as well as sporadic numbness. McCall stopped doing the pose, and his symptoms went away. Later, he noted that the inversion could produce other injuries, including degenerative arthritis of the cervical spine and retinal tears (a result of the increased eye pressure caused by the pose). Unfortunately, McCall concluded, the negative effects of headstand can be insidious.
Almost a year after I first met Glenn Black at his master class in Manhattan, I received an e-mail from him telling me that he had undergone spinal surgery. It was a success, he wrote. Recovery is slow and painful. Call if you like.
The injury, Black said, had its origins in four decades of extreme backbends and twists. He had developed spinal stenosis a serious condition in which the openings between vertebrae begin to narrow, compressing spinal nerves and causing excruciating pain. Black said that he felt the tenderness start 20 years ago when he was coming out of such poses as the plow and the shoulder stand. Two years ago, the pain became extreme. One surgeon said that without treatment, he would eventually be unable to walk. The surgery took five hours, fusing together several lumbar vertebrae. He would eventually be fine but was under surgeons orders to reduce strain on his lower back. His range of motion would never be the same.
Black is one of the most careful yoga practitioners I know. When I first spoke to him, he said he had never injured himself doing yoga or, as far as he knew, been responsible for harming any of his students. I asked him if his recent injury could have been congenital or related to aging. No, he said. It was yoga. You have to get a different perspective to see if what youre doing is going to eventually be bad for you.
Black recently took that message to a conference at the Omega Institute, his feelings on the subject deepened by his recent operation. But his warnings seemed to fall on deaf ears. I was a little more emphatic than usual, he recalled. My message was that Asana is not a panacea or a cure-all. In fact, if you do it with ego or obsession, youll end up causing problems. A lot of people dont like to hear that.
January 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm #38335adelParticipantHello Howdy,
I just didn’t feel any connection with
the yoga movements or teachers. I couldn’t
find anything that made me want to
investigate further.On the other hand, the chi kung movements
hit me very deeply. I saw it in all
aspects of my life. Maybe because I lived
in Asia for 13 yrs, but there was so much
that I had experienced but couldn’t
communicate in English, so much that could be
expressed in chi kung for me.Best wishes,
AdelJanuary 12, 2012 at 10:35 pm #38337jade bambooParticipanti think pilates is safer. no twisting o joints. controled movement using core muscles
January 14, 2012 at 7:32 am #38339c_howdyParticipantThey were a most mad ten days, but Kim enjoyed himself too much to reflect on their craziness. In the morning they played the Jewel Game – sometimes with veritable stones, sometimes with piles of swords and daggers, sometimes with photo-graphs of natives. Through the afternoons he and the Hindu boy would mount guard in the shop, sitting dumb behind a carpet-bale or a screen and watching Mr Lurgan’s many and very curious visitors. There were small Rajahs, escorts coughing in the veranda, who came to buy curiosities – such as phonographs and mechanical toys. There were ladies in search of necklaces, and men, it seemed to Kim – but his mind may have been vitiated by early training – in search of the ladies; natives from independent and feudatory Courts whose ostensible business was the repair of broken necklaces – rivers of light poured out upon the table – but whose true end seemed to be to raise money for angry Maharanees or young Rajahs. There were Babus to whom Lurgan Sahib talked with austerity and authority, but at the end of each interview he gave them money in coined silver and currency notes. There were occasional gatherings of long-coated theatrical natives who discussed metaphysics in English and Bengali, to Mr Lurgan’s great edification. He was always interested in religions. At the end of the day, Kim and the Hindu boy – whose name varied at Lurgan’s pleasure – were expected to give a detailed account of all that they had seen and heard – their view of each man’s character, as shown in his face, talk, and manner, and their notions of his real errand. After dinner, Lurgan Sahib’s fancy turned more to what might be called dressing-up, in which game he took a most informing interest. He could paint faces to a marvel; with a brush-dab here and a line there changing them past recognition. The shop was full of all manner of dresses and turbans, and Kim was apparelled variously as a young Mohammedan of good family, an oilman, and once which was a joyous evening – as the son of an Oudh landholder in the fullest of full dress. Lurgan Sahib had a hawk’s eye to detect the least flaw in the make-up; and lying on a worn teak-wood couch, would explain by the half-hour together how such and such a caste talked, or walked, or coughed, or spat, or sneezed, and, since ‘hows’ matter little in this world, the ‘why’ of everything. The Hindu child played this game clumsily. That little mind, keen as an icicle where tally of jewels was concerned, could not temper itself to enter another’s soul; but a demon in Kim woke up and sang with joy as he put on the changing dresses, and changed speech and gesture therewith.
-RUDYARD KIPLING, KimA glimpse of its structure
It’s ever altering axis
Another venturer (of the mind)
Entangled forever
Life space embraces earth
Death embrace your life
Preparing a transition
Beyond the limits of (human) comprehension
Quaking dimensions
Demented mensch
Open your eyes!
To a higher order of conspiracy
A formula to enhance
Your true inner ugliness
Operational instructions
For your interface to God
In somewhat greater perspective of time
You are practically non-existent
So reach through the angry crimson of this dawn
To my eternal star field domain
-THORNS, Interface to GodIt’s unnecessary to try to praise Coulter’s book, because one can check contents easily from internet.
If Mantak Chia’s books have been pathbreaking, this is real textbook about this subject.
How many important subjects you can really master is an other question.
Also it’s better to be wary with teachers who are more interested about (or dependent of) your money than your development.
In my opinion inverted postures are important for meditation, but it is somehow too complicated to try to rationalize it for present situation with my broken english.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tx3qtW3hIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCs1iyhu68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-Nyt4Bmi8&feature=fvwrelJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:06 pm #38341c_howdyParticipantAnother reason for the difficulty which is generally experienced in reaching a clear understanding of the concepts and principles of the subject, is that these differ quite radically from those which were employed in the classical models of mechanics and electromagnetism. Only by presenting the student with numerous particular instances of the application of the general principles to physical problems and the proper interpretation of the results obtained, will he eventually become so familiar with the landmarks that he will feel at home in the sub-physical world.
-DEREK F. LAWDEN, The Mathematical Principles Quantum MechanicsThe procedure pioneered by Werner Forssman has probably saved the life of someone you know. Every year, millions of people undergo cardiac catheterisation. It is the standard way to look at how the heart is functioning after a heart attack, chest pain or other indications of a heart problem. A description of the procedure is enough to make you wince: a small cut is made in an artery-often near the groin- and a tube is is pushed in, all the way to the heart. It’s certainly not the kind of thing you would want to do to yourself.
-DAVID BROOKS, Free RadicalsIf yoga asanas can wreck somebody’s body then how much more dangerous can pranayama be?
Coulter warns in his book about breathing exercises. Most important point seem to be on page 88 (section XIX). It is about certain rare form of sleep apnea. For example Gurdjieff, who should have been adept in certain type of energy practices, hypnotism and telepathy, was especially afraid of this or so it seems.
HOWDY
Ps. It’s now 4:06 am in Finnish time. I hope it was still OK to post this.
February 4, 2012 at 12:39 am #38343zooseParticipantI think the main problem is stupidity not yoga. People need to think for themselves. Don’t push their bodies too far. If you pack too hard in iron shirt you could injure yourself too.
I think yoga is pretty good, i stretch every day and have done a couple of the breathing exercises which are like energizer/breathing kinda stuff. They’re easy to do while you’re driving or just walking down the street. I still like qigong best though, but doing tai chi at work in my lunch break gets heaps more funny looks than doing stretches. In certain situations it’s easier to conform to the masses 🙂
February 14, 2012 at 8:38 am #38345c_howdyParticipantBudget restraints at the Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) have resulted in job cuts of up to 50 percent among alcohol researchers. The institute has also been forced to abandon its specially-bred alcohol dependent rats, which researchers have been using to study alcoholism for the past 50 years. Finlands standing in the alcohol research field is now in jeopardy, with critics lamenting the rodent release. The rats will be sent to research labs in the United States, leaving their Finnish masters behind. The move comes at a time when Finnish scientists claim they were in the midst of vital experiments relating to brain triggers for alcohol dependence, reports YLE.
We are researching medications aimed at suppressing drinking urges and improving stress management among alcoholics, said the institutes professor Kalervo Kiianmaa. THLs Director General Pekka Puska claimed that significant progress had been made by the institute since the amalgamation of the KTL (National Public Health Institute) and STAKES (National Research and Development Centre for Welfare and Health) last year. Public spending is tight and thats unfortunate as were dealing with an enormous problem, said Puska.
The institute has used the specially-bred rodents in an effort to determine the development of drink dependence. Both alcoholic (AA) and tee totalling (ANA) rats have been bred for the programme, with the former always preferring alcohol to water when given the option. Many medications used for treating alcoholism that exist today can be attributed to heavy-drinking lab rodents.
Read more: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/03/01/funding-cutbacks-force-alcoholic-rats-from-finland/#ixzz1mLzmoASuIn the early 1990s, it was safe to say that Dr. Ting-Kai Li was in possession of the largest and most famous collection of alcoholic rats in the world.
Housed in a laboratory near Dr. Lis office at Indiana University, the P-line of rodents were freely self-administering the body-weight equivalent of one bottle of whiskey a day for a 155-pound man; a blood alcohol concentration that would have gotten them arrested on any highway in America. The P-line rats were seriously addicted to ethanol, the purified form of booze known outside the laboratory as grain alcohol, or white lightning.
Its actually the only line thats been well developed in the world, Dr. Li told me at the time, with justifiable pride. And it has been developed through genetic selection for alcohol preference. In other words, Dr. Li did not teach these animals to drink. He didnt have to.
Dr. Li, who was until recently the Director of the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), which is the alcoholism wing of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), made it sound easy: You take a stock with some genetic heterogeneity in it, and then you test it for drinking behavior, and there will be, say, two or three out of a hundred that like to drink, so you take those, and you breed them. And the ones that dont like to drink, you breed those, and within ten generations you start to have a very good separation between drinking scores.
Why would a rat drink alcohol, and why would anybody care? When I first spoke with Ting-Kai Li, the lack of suitable animal models of alcoholism and addiction was all too apparent. Without suitable strains of test animals, most genetic and neurobiological research would take centuries, and would involve ethical questions about human testing far stickier than the questions raised by the animal rights movement. Animal models are one of the primary pathways of discovery available to neurobiologists and other researchers.
The precisely spoken, self-effacing Dr. Li, along with neurobiology professor Dr. William McBride and their co-workers at Indiana University, were never really in the business of teaching rats to drink. They were in the business of discovering ways to make them stop.
To be like human alcoholics, the rats must also demonstrate both an increased tolerance to the effects of the drug, and the onset of physical dependence as manifested by withdrawal symptoms. And they do. The P-line rats develop tolerance, and they show acute withdrawal symptoms when researchers cut off their supply. The rats suffer tremors, seizures, and a rodent version of delirium tremens. They fall down a lot. They are also quick to avail themselves of a little hair of the dog. After a period of abstinence, they take alcohol again to relieve the withdrawal symptoms.
The P-line rats met every definition of alcoholism anyone could imagine, and the cause of their alcohol addiction appears to be strictly genetic. What was happening with the P-line rats was not explainable by resorting to arguments about simple learned behavior.
How do you explain this difference? said Dr. Li, all those years ago. My explanation is that there are genetic differences among different individuals. Youre making the assumption that you expose them to the same environment, the same environmental influences, and yet they behave differently in terms of addiction.
Today, we can safely say that Dr. Lis hypothesis has proven to be true.
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http://addiction-dirkh.blogspot.com/2009/05/alcoholic-rats-of-dr-li.htmlIn 2005, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the drug exenatide (marketed as Byetta) for the management of type 2 diabetes. It is a synthetic version of a protein, exendin-4, derived from the Gila monster’s saliva. In a three-year study with people with type 2 diabetes, exenatide led to healthy sustained glucose levels and progressive weight loss. The effectiveness is due to the fact that the lizard protein is about 50 percent identical to glucagon-like peptide-1 analog (GLP-1), a hormone released from the human digestive tract that helps to regulate insulin and glucagon. The lizard protein remains effective much longer than the human hormone, helping diabetics keep their blood sugar levels under control. Exenatide slows the emptying of the stomach and causes a decrease in appetite, contributing to weight loss. The saliva of the Gila monster contains many chemicals which can be deadly. One of these has been shown to affect memory. Several companies have been researching the abilities of this chemical to help memory loss due to various diseases such as Alzheimers, schizophrenia, and ADHD. Gilatide, derived from exendin-4, has been shown to dramatically heighten memory in a study with mice. Gilatide is likely to be researched further to provide help to Alzheimers patients.
-WIKIPEDIAIndian yoga seems to be it’s own kind of science, but there also seems to be many misunderstandings and intricacies.
There is one interesting researcher from Taoist point of view. He is also somehow strange because of some of his theories.
In this case I now think his book which European edition is called Netherworld (also Oracles of the Dead: Ancient Techniques for Predicting the Future, authored by Robert K. G. Temple). First part of this book deals with Mediterranean oracle centers and second part with the I Ching. His idea was that mediaval witches were partly using knowledge what was left from these ancient very pagan traditions and of course certain Christian circles especially didn’t like them.
I don’t think that in University world they can anymore take him seriously, because of all these New Age like interests, but still there are some unusually clever observations that privately one could try to follow some of them.
Also for serious I Ching student there is quite a list of rare studies which one maybe otherwise wouldn’t bother to touch.
Also something else.
For example what about all these strange names for yoga asanas? There is of course clear link to Hindu myths.
Swami Satyananda Saraswati is teaching in his yoga books various odd practices and also as a form of magic which they clearly are not. Form example there is practice where one should start to observe one’s shadow and learn to read it. Carlos Castaneda is also promoting same thing is his novels. Also that most famous European alchemist Isaac Newton was known to be keen observer of shadows and their changing lenghts & directions through his life span.
My point with this posting was only that it seems that serious practice whether yoga or chigong requires serious effort. One cannot expect that things get easier, but that there is even more to study and practice.
HOWDY
http://www.youtube.com/user/ChosunNinja#p/a/D1BF41F3C29546B3/1/yqFNIVTqEfQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/ChosunNinja#p/a/u/0/2WbqcKqGEqEFor
March 6, 2012 at 2:10 am #38347c_howdyParticipantOn June 4, 2009, David Carradine was found dead in his room at the Swissôtel Nai Lert Park Hotel on Wireless Road, near Sukhumvit Road, in central Bangkok, Thailand. He was in Bangkok to shoot his latest film, Stretch. A police official said Carradine was found hanging by a rope naked in the room’s closet, causing immediate speculation that his death was suicide. However, reported evidence suggested that his death was the result of autoerotic asphyxiation. Two autopsies were conducted and concluded that the death was not caused by suicide. The cause of death became widely accepted as “accidental asphyxiation”.
Immediately following his death, two of his former wives, Gail Jensen and Marina Anderson, stated publicly that his sexual interests included the practice of self-bondage. Anderson, who had plans to publish a tell-all book about her marriage to Carradine, said in an interview with Access Hollywood, “There was a dark side to David, there was a very intense side to David. People around him know that.” Previously in her divorce filing she had claimed that “It was the continuation of abhorrent and deviant sexual behavior which was potentially deadly.”
Photographs of Carradine at the death scene, as well as photographs of his autopsied body, were circulated in newspapers and on the Internet. His family, represented by his brothers, Keith and Robert, pleaded with the public and the press to let them mourn their loved one in peace.
Carradine’s funeral was held on June 13, 2009 in Los Angeles. His bamboo casket was buried at Forest Lawn Memorial Park. Among the many stars and family members that attended his private memorial were Tom Selleck, Lucy Liu, Frances Fisher, James Cromwell, Steve Railsback, and Chris Potter. His grave was marked on December 3, 2009. The monument proclaimed him to be “The Barefoot Legend” and included a quote from “Paint”, a song he wrote and performed as the theme to Sonny Boy, as an epitaph.
-WIKIPEDIAI hope it is OK to post this question.
I also had in my mind question if this White Tigress author Hsi Lai had intended to keep his real identity secret…
And also what really happened to David Carradine?
There are evidently many dangerous practices, but some anyway practice them.
Was Carradine practicing non-breathing qigong or was it something kinky?
HOWDY
March 6, 2012 at 11:10 pm #38349StevenModeratorObviously one can never know exactly
without asking him. My intuition is
that it probably was kinky sex gone wrong,
and it is simply unfortunate that he
was found in such a compromised state.
SDecember 1, 2014 at 10:45 pm #38351russellnParticipantthen there is the institutional aspect:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-02/yoga-leader-told-children-sex-acts-wo
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