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  • February 19, 2013 at 10:25 pm #40211
    adel
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    Hello,

    I am a little confused as to the meaning of the terms
    “original chi” and “prenatal chi”.

    What I think I’ve got is prenatal chi is the chi that
    comes together with the union of your parents when you
    are conceived. This chi is “stored” in the kidney organ
    as well as in the Yin Kidney system.

    Like a battery, prenatal chi can be emptied and when
    completely depleted leads to kidney failure ie death.

    In both Master Chia and Michael Winn’s practices we can
    increase the amount of prenatal chi by “building” up
    the kidneys/Kidneys accumulating more original chi which
    is a mixture of chi from the Three Forces, from food, air,
    mo, etc..

    Master Chia sees us building up and then storing this
    original chi in the lower dantien.

    Michael Winn sees that we can also breathe in more prenatal
    chi from the Universe thru the Kidney point/Door of Life.
    We don’t necessarily need to worry about storing it because
    the Universe can store it all for us. Just breathing it in
    recharges the batteries of the Kidneys.

    So, prenatal chi is in the kidneys as well as being the chi
    that has not been polarized yet in the Universe (?) while
    original chi is the chi that we accumulate in the lower
    dantien (?).

    Any opinions, corrections, etc…greatly appreciated.
    Adel

    February 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm #40212
    bagua
    Participant

    Prenatal Qi is the Qi you got from your parents, the ancestral influence on you. Post-natal Qi is the quality and quantity of Qi you get from lifestyle. This can replenish/maintain the pre-natal level.

    Original Qi, from my view point, is the Qi from other areas, like the stars, planets, environment, etc. we get from cultivation. It differs from post-natal in the sense it not from food, drink and regular exercise.

    February 21, 2013 at 12:14 am #40214
    adel
    Participant

    Thanks,

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)

    If you have an opinion,
    Tks,
    Adel

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40216
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    David

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40218
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40220
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40222
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40224
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40226
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40228
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    David

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40230
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40232
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40234
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40236
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #40238
    bagua
    Participant

    Hi Adel:

    I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.

    Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
    was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
    quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
    because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
    amount of polarization. (?)
    ***********************
    In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.

    They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.

    What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.

    In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.

    Hope this helps.

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Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA

Michael Winn, Pres.
Healing Tao USA

Use Michael Winn's Qi Gong products for one whole year — I guarantee you'll be 100% delighted and satisfied with the great Qi results. Return my product in good condition for immediate refund.

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Each Qigong video, book, or audio course will assist your authentic Self to fulfill worldly needs and relations; feel the profound sexual pleasure of being a radiant, healthy body; express your unique virtues; complete your soul destiny; realize peace – experience eternal life flowing in this human body Now.

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