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Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
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In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
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In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
David
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
Hi Adel:
I will give my view on the take of some on this forum. If someone wants to add something please do.
Much easier to understand now. What about Yuan Chi? My understanding
was that it was neutral in the sense that it is chi that has not
quite been polarized yet, but not totally neutral in the sense that
because it is in this plane (5 phase) that there has to be a certain
amount of polarization. (?)
***********************
In the model they use here, they split the universe in at least two realms. Pre=heaven and Post-heaven, or Early and Later Heaven.They like to make correspondences between the two realms. In our life now. Yuan Chi is created all the time, it is the ming-men fire cooking Jing/Essence, which creates a steam, which is Yuan Qi. It is the Qi from Jing that is housed in the kidneys. It is believed we have a limited amount in our body at birth. A healthy person has enough for our allotted 100 years.
What some present here is there is a Yuan Qi (Original Qi) of nature, we can call this the early heaven realm. It is not in our body. And it is proposed we can access it and gather it to nourish and rejuvenate our body and sprit. And connecting to it connects us to this other realm. The quality of this Qi is non-polar or limited polarity. It can take any form, like a stem cell. In theory, it would be like Wu Ji, it can become anything.
In there view, they seek to connect to the other realm to support “growth” in this realm. This idea is part of indigenous Chinese culture, where there was ancestor worship and medicine. A goal was to communicate with the ancestors and appease the ancestors, which then will create auspicious harvests, fertility and longevity. So in the view here, they want to connect to immortals, beings, planets and stars, instead of ancestors, and connect to Qi, instead of the Gods we find in Taoism that follows this way.
Hope this helps.
“Original”=Yuan
Examples: Yuan Shen(Original Spirit),Yuan Qi (Original Qi).
This is basic translation, but depending on usage and what context can be multi layered meaning and application. With Chinese Characters used in a sentence it would eliminate guessing. But Yuan means “original” generally; and here original qi is about prenatal and gestation period of the mother before birth. There’s Yuan Yin, Yuan Yang etc.
Many ways to cultivate post natal qi; all three dantians and central channel serve different roles in these practices. Good question!
Snowlion
This is where I tend to disagree with your view. This view is dualistic. We live in a life that contains pre and post natal influences. The only way we can connect to or cultivate Yuan Shen is if we have Yuan Shen inside us. Yuan Qi comes from the kidneys, post-natal comes from the spleen/stomach and Lungs: Gu Qi and Zong Qi.
Heaven/Human/Earth. The all exist at the same time in each of us. Our cultivation/Humanity, gathers heaven and earth in our body. Our body is the vessel of pre-natal and post-natal energies.
Our body contains Tai Ji, Yang/Yin/Yuan
To add on to what has already been mentioned . . .
To my understanding, the way Michael uses this
terminology is as follows:Pre-natal = Early Heaven = Formless realm
Post-natal = Later Heaven = Realm of form (Here)As for “yuan qi”, there can be pre-natal yuan qi
or post-natal yuan qi. The post-natal yuan qi
would be that generated from steaming, e.g. the
mingmen fire cooking jing and generating steam
example that bagua gave. The pre-natal yuan qi
would be the unpolarized qi that comes in from
the formless realm, it comes into you through
the dantian-mingmen portal and then polarizes
gets programmed upon arrival. This is the
“stem cell” analogy that bagua mentioned.Unfortunately, different people use the
terminology in different ways. Talk to several
different people and get several different
explanations. So it is easy to get confused
when there is no consistency.Qi,
StevenI think some take great liberty in how they define terms. They in a way make them up.
It seems in michael view, there can be no pre-natal, early heaven and pre-heaven energies in our current life. Well, can there be immortals in this life, on this planet? If yes, dont they have these early heaven energies?
bagua
To add on to what has already been mentioned . . .
To my understanding, the way Michael uses this
terminology is as follows:Pre-natal = Early Heaven = Formless realm
Post-natal = Later Heaven = Realm of form (Here)As for “yuan qi”, there can be pre-natal yuan qi
or post-natal yuan qi. The post-natal yuan qi
would be that generated from steaming, e.g. the
mingmen fire cooking jing and generating steam
example that bagua gave. The pre-natal yuan qi
would be the unpolarized qi that comes in from
the formless realm, it comes into you through
the dantian-mingmen portal and then polarizes
gets programmed upon arrival. This is the
“stem cell” analogy that bagua mentioned.Unfortunately, different people use the
terminology in different ways. Talk to several
different people and get several different
explanations. So it is easy to get confused
when there is no consistency.Qi,
StevenNote: My understanding of Michael’s explanation may
not be totally correct. So you need to take
that as a caveat as well as differing views
amongst different people.Again, my understanding would be that the
pre-natal energies that are given to you
from birth are being pulled in from the void
on “autopilot”. They are been drawn in to
the realm of form keeping you alive similar
to gas trickling in on a gas stove to lit burner.
In fact, I think he has used this very analogy.
This store, which sits in the formless realm,
gets exhausted as you spend your life–the tank
given to you by your parents.From his perspective (at least to my understanding),
is that this pre-birth tank is fixed, but you can
pull in additional energies through the
dantian-mingmen pathway if you are skilled in alchemy
and can “open the portal wider”.Daoist immortals supposedly can transit this portal
at will, traveling back and forth between the two
realms, perhaps not completely transiting 100% to
one or the other.Again, this is all MY understanding of HIS perspective.
So, you have to allow for the possibility of my
understanding of his position to be incorrect on
some level, in addition to discrepancies in opinions
between his perspective and what others might be.Qi,
StevenTo my understanding, the way Michael uses this
terminology is as follows:Pre-natal = Early Heaven = Formless realm
Post-natal = Later Heaven = Realm of form (Here)
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I believe this is an incorrect understanding. The formless exists in this life too.As for “yuan qi”, there can be pre-natal yuan qi or post-natal yuan qi.
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I think these are made up meanings, designed to support a theory.The post-natal yuan qi would be that generated from steaming, e.g. the mingmen fire cooking jing and generating steam example that bagua gave. The pre-natal yuan qi would be the unpolarized qi that comes in from the formless realm, it comes into you through the dantian-mingmen portal and then polarizes gets programmed upon arrival. This is the “stem cell” analogy that bagua mentioned.
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What is Jing? Pre or post?Unfortunately, different people use the terminology in different ways. Talk to several
different people and get several different explanations. So it is easy to get confused
when there is no consistency.
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This is a good thing, as it alerts one to possible errors in theories. It can be the spark to a dialogue.
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