In search for the big ‘O’…

I don’t think you were too forward.
It hasn’t been that long since you made your first post,
so some people may not have seen it or thought to respond yet.
Give it some time, and I’m sure you’ll get some responses.

I personally don’t practice Healing Love anymore, but given
your interests, I thought I’d pass along some information
about Michael’s Healing Love course (in particular, his audio CDs).

See item #6 from Michael Winn’s list of 9 reasons
to get his Healing Love audio courses:

Learn to stimulate the different types of orgasm that are possible for everyone to experience. The short-lived genital physical orgasm, the long wave vital organ-Energy Body orgasm, or the smooth, continuous bliss of a whole body-mind Spiritual (Valley) Orgasm. How men and women filter their sexual attractions to other people differently via jing, chi, and shen levels (roughly equivalent to physical, energy, and spiritual bodies).

Best wishes,
Steven

https://healingtaousa.com/healinglove.html

>>>P.S.: Please, stop apologizing for why you
>>>are not practicing the Healing Love cause
>>>you make all of us, that are practicing it,
>>>feel bizzare for praciting it, because it feels
>>>like you are hiding something about the method
>>>that we should know. So why do I say that?
>>>Because out of what I feel I want to ask you:
>>>Is it safe to practice the Healing Love techniques
>>>or not and why. Sorry, but it is the second time
>>>you are bringing up this and it makes me feel
>>>uncomfortable (no offence).

As far as safety goes:

As long as you are in good health . . .
As long as you are grounded . . .
As long as you consequently have your emotions stabilized . . .
As long as you have your orbit fully open . . .
As long as you don’t let the jingqi get stuck in your head . . .
As long as you don’t allow stagnation to occur in your genitals . . .

then doing the practices periodically is safe.
There is no need to become unnecessarily alarmed.
If you are enjoying it, just enjoy it.

Long-term semen retention, unless you are a superstar
like Master Chia, does have some long-term risks, including
impotence and prostate problems . . . so like anything,
if you are going to do the practices, you shouldn’t do them
to the extreme or become fanatical about them.

Why *I* personally do not do them, has more to do
with my personal feelings and philosophy on the subject,
and my direct personal experiences than anything.

While I am happy to share what I know about the
practices to those that are interested in them,
I do not want people to get the impression that I
myself do them anymore or that I am promoting them.
Because I am not.

S

>>>P.S.: Please, stop apologizing for why you
>>>are not practicing the Healing Love cause
>>>you make all of us, that are practicing it,
>>>feel bizzare for praciting it, because it feels
>>>like you are hiding something about the method
>>>that we should know. So why do I say that?
>>>Because out of what I feel I want to ask you:
>>>Is it safe to practice the Healing Love techniques
>>>or not and why. Sorry, but it is the second time
>>>you are bringing up this and it makes me feel
>>>uncomfortable (no offence).

As far as safety goes:

As long as you are in good health . . .
As long as you are grounded . . .
As long as you consequently have your emotions stabilized . . .
As long as you have your orbit fully open . . .
As long as you don’t let the jingqi get stuck in your head . . .
As long as you don’t allow stagnation to occur in your genitals . . .

then doing the practices periodically is safe.
There is no need to become unnecessarily alarmed.
If you are enjoying it, just enjoy it.

Long-term semen retention, unless you are a superstar
like Master Chia, does have some long-term risks, including
impotence and prostate problems . . . so like anything,
if you are going to do the practices, you shouldn’t do them
to the extreme or become fanatical about them.

Why *I* personally do not do them, has more to do
with my personal feelings and philosophy on the subject,
and my direct personal experiences than anything.

While I am happy to share what I know about the
practices to those that are interested in them,
I do not want people to get the impression that I
myself do them anymore or that I am promoting them.
Because I am not.

S

Two different issues and two different causes.

First issue and first cause:
On the General page, when you posted three times before,
you’ll see that all the posts are at slightly different times.
This is because you actually inadvertently posted the
same message three times. This happens when you use
your “Forward” and “Back” buttons on the browser.
If you hit “Back” enough times, you will eventually see
the screen where you made your original post with the
text in the window. If you then hit “Forward”, it will
repost your message. To avoid this problem, do not use
the “Back” and “Forward” Buttons. Instead, click “Top of List”,
or switch to a different forum at the top.

Second issue and second cause:
Sometimes when a post is made, the server hangs or gets
confused. It doesn’t happen very often, but when it does,
sometimes the post will occur twice. Then unfortunately
all responses to that doubled post will be doubled.
You can recognize this issue from the fact that the
duplicated post has the same posting time. This is
what happened here on the Practice Page.
This issue happens randomly and not very often, and
mostly can not be avoided (as far as I know).

However, the first case is the more common, and is
always attributed to human error.

S

>>>First of all, I read in your personal log,
>>>that you are a Healing Dao instructor.
>>>So, if this is still true, your previous
>>>statements about your beliefs are contradicting
>>>to the system, where Healing Love practices
>>>are IMHO an integral part.

Integral part? This is your opinion.
The Healing Tao is broad, and covers many areas,
martial arts, physical health, cosmic healing, CNT,
sexual practices, alchemy.
Just because one is a Healing Tao instructor does
not mean that they have to embrace every aspect of the
system. Michael does not teach martial arts, or cosmic
healing, or CNT, for example. One picks the parts that
they are interested in, and focuses on that.

In particular, One Cloud did not teach Master Chia
the sexual practices, Master Chia learned that from
another master later on. He learned several things
from several masters and taught everything he knew.
There is no requirement that anybody do everything he does.
Healing Tao is broad and covers a lot of topics.

Most Healing Tao instructors specialize in the areas
that they find are most suited to them.

>>>If that is not the case (that you are an instructor),
>>>claiming that semen retention as Mantak Chia teaches
>>>might lead to impotence and prostate gland problems
>>>goes against the system’s beliefs because Mantak Chia
>>>has stated many times that the Healing Dao practices,
>>>being done correctly and under the supervision
>>>of an instructor, promotes health, and the health
>>>of your prostate gland and also heals impotence.

Did I say that doing it for a short-term is a problem?
No I did not. Do not put words into my mouth.
I said doing it continuously for a long-term can
cause problems. Doing *anything* to excess is bad.
Period. This is the problem . . . people doing things
to extreme levels . . . people ignoring recommendations
about frequency of ejaculation based on age and season
and other factors . . . people trying to halt ejaculation
permanently. And I have personally talked with some
people that were practicing long-term retention who
did develop these problems (the very reason why other
systems out there do not recommend semen retention),
namely of prostate swelling and impotence. Master Chia
is about the only one who can get away with practicing
things to extreme levels, because he is doing practices
consistently several hours a day via all his workshops.
Very few other people do this. Doing it for short-term,
provided the person’s channels are open, there is very
little problem. And if you actually read what I said,
this is what I said.

There are many things in the Healing Tao that are
like this. If you do them to excess, you get problems.
Qi-packing is a good example.
Michael Winn did it to excess and burst a bunch
of blood vessels in his chest, and now he no longer
teaches a full qi-packing regimen because of it.
In fact, *most* senior instructors in the US
don’t even teach qi-packing in their Iron Shirt classes
because they know that it can cause problems in excess.

The practices themselves are often safe, done to a
person’s limits and not done in excess . . . but
people often ignore that advice and practice them
fanatically, and the instructors do not want to
feel responsible for someone getting hurt. You may
disagree with this, but if an instructor does not
want to teach something, then that is his/her business.

>>>So, to conclude there are a lot of people
>>>here that embraced the system because it
>>>gave them a new way of experiencing sex,
>>>and love and especially sex and spirit.
>>>So, as a moderator of this forum I would
>>>like you to come forth and declare that
>>>you no longer support the Healing Love practices.

No, I am not going to say that.
Just because I don’t feel the practices to be
right FOR ME, does not mean I feel them therefore to be
wrong for everyone. Everyone is a unique individual;
no one person is the same. I don’t think that they
are right for everyone and I simultaneously don’t think
that they are wrong for everyone. Each person has
to experiment and find out for themselves if a particular
practice is right for them. In my case, I did experiment,
and I determined that they are not right for me, and
subsequently found alternatives. At the same time,
that does not mean that I now suddenly feel that others
might not benefit from them. In fact, they may be
exactly what some other people need. If other people
feel the practices might be beneficial to them, or
they have had personal positive results, then great!
I am happy to support their newfound joy in them.
I do not apply a cookie-cutter approach and assume
that everyone should be doing the exact same thing,
because this is false.

You’ll notice on a recent post on the General Forum
someone asked about advice on what to get, either
QF3&4 or QF2 package. I actually listened to what he
was interested in and made a judgment based on what
I felt he would benefit the most from, not just a
blanket statement of “oh, you should just follow
the program A for B and do everything in order,
make sure you get QF1 audio first etc.”.

>>>For me Mantak Chia’s work was liberating.
>>>And I want to become an instructor to promote his work,
>>>especially the fact that he unites sex
>>>and spirit in very practical way.

Great.
Do it.
In fact, teach the Healing Love material if you
feel it benefits you so much.
You should.

But if you going to be an instructor, you have
to learn to be respectful of other people and
others people’s views. Everyone does NOT have to
agree with you.

And if you are going to be a compassionate instructor,
you will work hard to find out what each student’s
unique needs and situation is, and tailor their
instruction to what *they need* . . . not some
fabricated idea of what you think everyone should do.

This is likely my last response to you.
Virtually every post you make is disrespectful
and immature! Not only did you ridicule the
whole forum for not answering your question
at the top of the page, you’ve been disrespectful
to me in virtually every response. So consequently,
from here on out, someone else on the forum can
interact with you. I am done.

S