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Integration or dissolution of the self?

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Home › Forum Online Discussion › General › Integration or dissolution of the self?

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  • January 12, 2009 at 3:49 am #30170
    singing ocean
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    Many spiritual traditions hold that there is a division between different parts of Human consciousness, and that if they are not integrated, the individual will be dissolved back into the “ONE”.
    This subject is at the core of ongoing discussions on this forum…

    I have compiled below different qualities associated with each from a book referenced by Michael in some of the courses, written by Peter Novak called “The Lost Secret of Death”. It is written with the connection between those terms and Daoist terminology used by Michael Winn in the Healing Dao, as well as listing cultures from around the world that include this cosmology of the “Binary Soul Doctrine”:

    Ka (five jing shen, xin – heart mind):

    Unconscious soul
    memories
    subjective individual self
    moral self with conscience
    emotional qualities
    form
    mortal

    Ba (original self – thread of oversoul in physical form)

    Conscious spirit
    free will
    awareness
    intelligence
    ability to move and communicate
    objective
    collective
    immortal
    formless

    Akh (Zi Ren – authentic integrated self)

    All of the above and more

    Cultures supporting this theory/experience in various ways:

    China
    Ancient Egypt
    Incan/Toltec
    Greece
    India
    Hawaii
    Persia
    Early Judaic
    Early Christian
    Islam
    Voudoun
    Angola
    Siberia
    Saami (finland/norway)
    Australian aborigine
    Inuit
    Dakota
    Amazonian (various)
    pre-buddhist “pli” culture

    January 12, 2009 at 7:39 pm #30171
    Michael Winn
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    good work, chris.

    but for Taoist readers, the top list might be described as the Earth aspect, and include the po and zhi,
    and the second list the heaven aspect, and include the hun and heart shen.

    I have an article coming out in next Journal of Daoist Studies on Daoist methods of dissolving the heart mind….
    m

    January 12, 2009 at 8:26 pm #30173
    singing ocean
    Participant

    OK, good to know…I wasn’t sure of exactly how the different systems correspond.

    January 12, 2009 at 8:37 pm #30175
    Steven
    Moderator

    and where does the Yi, earth spirit come in?

    It would make sense that it would be the Earth aspect, since
    it is *Earth* after all; however, it seems like it could also
    go to heaven, since heaven wants a piece of Earth

    or does it not fit into either and just mediate in a third space?

    S

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