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June 12, 2006 at 5:26 pm #14581IntelligenceParticipant
Sorry about all the typos..
didn’t think they would be that badJune 12, 2006 at 6:04 pm #14583Yi TaoParticipantThe intellectual mind does not reign supreme. Many times the intellect gets in the way. There are ways of knowing that do not require thought.
In western civilization we get caught up in our mental ability. We raise our intellectual minds to the status of oracle relating to all things “True”. Many times, our minds merely get in the way. Meditation uses the term Monkey Mind for a reason.
Hope is wanting and expecting. With hope, there is always the seed of doubt. With faith, there is no doubt. Ultimately, faith is a type of knowing.
Faith is not pretending. It’s not a thought experiment about “What if?” Faith means “It is!”
Faith is organic. It starts as a seed. If we nurture that seed, it can grow into a mammoth tree. The intellect can not help it grow. The intellect can only get out of the way.
Metaphorically, my faith is probably about a 3 foot sapling. It could be blown about in a strong storm, but it will stay rooted. As I progress along my path, my faith will grow stronger and stronger. Ultimately, it will grow into a tree that nothing will be able to uproot.
You wrote “DO —> YOU <— really think its true?" No! I do not think it is true. I know it is true. Again, the intellect is not the source of faith. God planted the seed of faith in my soul. I've allowed His presence to nurture and feed that seed. Faith is growing in my life.
June 12, 2006 at 6:16 pm #14585Yi TaoParticipantFalsifiable does not mean false. For a proposition to be falsifiable, it must be possible, at least in principle, to make an observation that would show the proposition to fall short of being a tautology, even if that observation is not actually made.
You can not have faith that the moon is made of cheese because we can go and check.
June 13, 2006 at 1:41 am #14587IntelligenceParticipantYou say:
“No! I do not think it is true. I know it is true.”
Can you describe how you know this to be true?
As I have said, many people claim experiences of glossalallia..
some claim “healings”.. others claim demonic removals..still others, and most commonly and to me most convincingly–>
the holy spirit moving through the heart..
this seems to be like a white hole of love emanation that lights up inside of people connecting them like some kindof resonating white hole system..
I know about/have experienced many of these
(which is more than many “believers” can say..but still have no faith belief “knowledge” whatsoever that Jesus is the “onnly son of god”
perosnally I think jesus was part of an interdimensional alien network..
and was made by falsified religions into a solitary god king..
i suspects that alien networks were responsible for alien god kings throughout ancient cycles especially Egypt/Sumeria..
saying you know something to be true is like people who know they will be healed and then promptly die..
June 13, 2006 at 12:14 pm #14589Yi TaoParticipantYou wrote “Can you describe how you know this to be true?”
No. If what I’ve written so far is not coherent, then I can not described it in words.
As you experience faith, your capacity to understand faith increases. As your understanding increases, your ability to experience increases. Just as experience and capacity are important for faith, so they are for chi, yi, and shen. Words will only get you so far. Practice and commitment are better vehicles than the monkey mind.
You talk about an “interdimensional alien network”. This is similar to a spiritual realm, or at least something set apart from the everyday physical world. You consider my faith to be misplaced and delusional, using science and the intellect in your argument, but you yourself try to define and limit that which the physical mind can not experience and can not understand.
The brain can only make artificial constructs while it struggles to understand what it can not. Faith is a light that shines in the darkness and illuminates the universe as it really exists. Where science is silent, spirituality makes a joyful noise.
June 13, 2006 at 12:55 pm #14591IntelligenceParticipantso no glowing books or anything?
oh well..
i personally think we live within something like an electromagnetic field ocean..
June 13, 2006 at 5:00 pm #14593IntelligenceParticipantthis is actually a response to messages further down the reply thread..
What you appear to be saying is that you have chosen to suspend disbelief in the story and accept it with good faith as truth..
that’s one thing..
asking if you actually believe it to be true is another..
I can say “I suspended my disbelief and accepted it with faith as truth BUT I really doubt it’s true, i really don’t believe it, it’s just too improbable..but I’ll have osme faith and hope for the best..”
and that would make sense..
but this premise has developed into alot of really “us vs them attitudes like:
“if you don’t accept it as truth you are going top hell”
well this just makes no sense.. how can you believe something you don’t think is possible?
it also leads to “all those buddhists are going to hell”
what about the millions of loving people who lived thousands of years before Jesus on earth alone with no knowledge of Jerusalem.. what happened to them at death..
the mythic metaphor is OK.. but really,
June 13, 2006 at 9:57 pm #14595Yi TaoParticipantYou don’t understand faith. Maybe “Faith, probability and infinite passion” can explain it better than I.
Your intellect does not reign supreme. Maybe “A Perfumed Scorpion” will help you understand and accept knowledge outside of western thought.
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