July 20, 2006 at 8:33 am #15560
I’ve heard of Iron Shirt in certain martial arts and was wondering if the Iron Shirt taught here is the same kind where people can take blows to the body?July 25, 2006 at 3:53 pm #15561
If you were to train many hours a day for many years it could be. Just a little each day, dont try or you will get hurt.
Its like tai chi, most classes spend a few minutes at the end of the class going over martail appliacation, this is not training, dont bother trying in real life. There may have been a time were they trained hours a day in application.
So keep this all to health and vitality and avoid the fantasy, those fantasies are rooted in people who practiced many hours a day for years. Often people forget that.
baguaJuly 27, 2006 at 12:07 pm #15563
it can rip your knee bad.
(stand without knee twist and legs quite extended, but not locked. sometimes called leakage of knee.)
it can hurt your heart.
(do not lift your hands above your navel until your kwa gets seriously strong.
that means your kwa is starting to keep you up
tha means you are starting to integrate lower and middle dan tien)
it can fuck your organs
(tendon lines are not meridian lines.
so be sure you know what are doing.
martial training may not be medical training.
tendon lines is martial training.)
(so when hitting be sure to hitt tendon lines all the way, from toe to toe in one line/go. failure to do so may hurt your martial chi kung, and you have already gone away from medical chi kung. important)
so if you still want to do it…
iron shirt 1 packing was designed for absorbing kidney blows. all else was by-product.
(one should already be extremely strong before attempting)
(that means master level training. such blows are very deadly. it should be attempted as a culmination of training, not beginning. without the very significant achievement in basics, it is stupid. if you do not know what the practice does, if you do not know what you are doing, absolutely do not do it. it is not wishfull thinking exercise)
iron shirt 3 golden bell was designed for absorbing genital blows. end result being withdrawal of testicle. all else was by-product.
(one should already be extremely strong before attempting)
(again master level. again because it is specific practise and not training the principles do not do it unless you really know what you are doing. and of course unless you really really want the effect. you can pass as eunuch though.)
iron shirt has elements of hard trainning.
1. example: you can train opening and closing and packing can be then just local application of trainning of principle of opening and closing. going straight for one polarity and softest area shows great need, great hunger. thus allowing the mistakes. thus hard trainning accepting.
2. example: such soft trainning is also presented by winn empty force breathing, lower dan tien. again in such system packing is just one polarity that can be applied localy.
3. example: tendon lines can be trainned by hand positions in standing. or hitting. but also by connecting toe-to-toe while doing tai chi form. last would be soft while previous hard. (unless your generated skill is enourmous)July 27, 2006 at 12:15 pm #15565
leakage at the knee happens when knee is bent too much, and position is maintained by virtue of leg strenght and not waist/kwa strenght. if legs are almost not bent, it demands the least strenght of kwa to keep the stance structure, thus is such a way conducive to thigh tissue relaxation and kwa fortification.
if knee is not twisted, it can relax and revitalize: this is the strongest joint available and already overabused, so give him a brake and allow for nurturing of its worthy succesor, the kwa. if the knee and ankles are twisted, but not supported by real kwa power (and sometimes by not grounding in earth), that is overexposing them. might be called abuse.July 27, 2006 at 7:52 pm #15567
so how about this guy (link below) – apparently teaches you to easily take serious blows, in only a couple of months.July 28, 2006 at 12:25 am #15569
jernej, do you have any pictures of correect position ans you decribed? thanksJuly 28, 2006 at 3:15 am #15571
…you have to ask yourself: “What for?”July 28, 2006 at 9:18 am #15573
well – everyone has their reasons – for example he’s teaching rugby players to absorb blows – which is very usefull, I imagine.
I myself plan to become an infamous street-fighter and slowly gather notoriety untill I can take over the world!! muaahahahaha :0)
but seriously – why not? if it takes only a few months, and you become far more resilient, it means any knocks, car crashes, falls, accidents, fights etc that come your way, you’re far more likely to come out un-injured.July 28, 2006 at 2:16 pm #15575
do you have the faith to go down the aile,
bow as the lord sheds light upon you,
saying your thanks…
and have pipe rod slam your chest
and have pipe rod slam your neck
video section 4
it gets interesting after 2:30 timeliner
nothing is nothingJuly 28, 2006 at 3:28 pm #15577
1. hand position:
see positions 1,2,3, they are ok
but make sure that the height is qihai (some inch bellow navel) and not navel
adjustement for positions of postures 4,5:
have lower hand at sacrum level, and upper at navel area
thus in the/their middle is dan tien
(in so applying winn standing hand positions)
inso hands are below solar plexus (not disturbing liver,spleen untill support is strong) and do not innitiate connection between lower and middle dan tien (again waiting untill root is)
2. leg position:
rich mooney legs are ok
he demostrates quite straight legs
(and he did serious amount of standing, went up to six hours of rhytmic body movement with feet still, then cut down to three hours to remain social
search down for THE USE OF ENERGY (QI) IN MARTIAL ARTS APPLICATIONS))
(nqa also has some other interesting articles by wu, johnson: http://www.nqa.org/articles/index.html)
however if very strong kwa one can go lower by opening kwa more
that means kwa opens more on its own strenght and is not pulled open by other tissues
that than looks like
(full size posters free download
do expand them to full size for inspection)
then knees can bend more (or more accurately ‘are bent’, by the kwa)
(hung gar people are also in love in ‘six hour standing’ notion)
3.juan li pictures
they are correct
the iron shirt books pictures
do not miss the covers of books
but they pressuppose serious kwa strenght
and that is not the norm in society
PS: if you ever look for slavinski people, he is in australia
he became notorious for getting aspectics book and self-did 2000+ processes, claims to have opened his heart this way super expedited
http://www.arelena.com/July 28, 2006 at 3:34 pm #15579July 28, 2006 at 4:03 pm #15581
“…it means any knocks, car crashes, falls, accidents, fights etc that come your way, you’re far more likely to come out un-injured.”
Bro, if you do that, then you are preparing for war. Know what I mean?
It is not a useful belief, to paraphrase what you said to Yi Tao above, to plan that there will be something to deal with. There, of course, will be, but the lifeforce will determine how that should go no matter what you do to protect yourself. If you have to have an experience for your greater good, for the rectification of unresolved energies, then nothing that you do will change that happening because the energy has to go somewhere. In fact, you could be bringing it toward yourself by focussing on it. “He who seeks to save his life will lose it.” -Jesus
And I think this is the essence of many of the basic arguments that have taken place on this site – There are those who simply do not trust that the lifeforce has a plan and is in charge, and who are capable of seeing the situation only from the standpoint of being unimportant victims in a dangerous universe they have to protect themselves from. The above discussion started by Ron looks to me like it is based on this. I am clear that our job at this time on earth is to stop feeding fear and start nourishing trust.
It is very difficult for most people to be confronted with this kind of thinking because they are glued tight to their fears, thus their protective interests, the remnants of survival fears from our past which have been heightened recently because they have come to the surface to be purged. To bring it up usually makes them angrier and more frightened. In the end, after some coaxing to those who can hear it, one can only watch silently, holding the Space while the lifeforce does its work “out there” and things resolve organically.
One of the most important ideas in Daoism is non-interference. This is what makes meditation work. To create the inner Space is to allow “what is” to be, and that is how the alchemy happens. It never happens from doing something about something that already exists. That is the fool’s way- fooled by his/her own agendas, fears of God and designs to conquer the world (like you!). These practices are designed to build the inner ability to hold the Space, the center, and thus deflate the energies of opposition from their extremely overextended positions so that harmony is returned. What you feed, grows.
Blessings, AlexanderJuly 28, 2006 at 9:20 pm #15583
Just becuase you start out in martial arts from a place of fear does not mean you end up that way. Not to say that all people start that way. I have found certain martial arts to be a great form of body yoga. Alot of my thoughts on this are posted above in a reply to Yi Tao. I am not saying all martial arts are designed in a way to help people release from fear and a big ego.
I have changed so much since I started Healing Tao practices and still am.
If I am reading you write. I agree with you, why try and tell the lung spirit how to breath it is not our job. The best thing to do is to do what we do, whitch is show our intent and smile shine our light to the life force. The life force will know what to do and how to do it. I am right there with you on the trust issue. That is why if you have practiced just the basics 1-4 you can have that understanding and from that understanding so meany questions are answered and so much energy regained. What does a life flowing with the life force look like? Who knows just enjoy the ride. I have learned that you can not show intent to the life force and then say but I do not want to do this or let go of this. It is so simple show your intent smile shine your light and open up space, you just let them do there thing. I have found you can do this with DNA, and the five shen, other people. Its great. Sorry to go on and on I just thinks it is wonderful.July 29, 2006 at 12:11 am #15585
thanks so much for the great pictures.
i noticed that slavinski people are here in australia, that’s a bit of a bonus, i’ve also found 2 very good masters from china who are linaege holders, now living in aust, so i don’t have to search in the northeren hamisphere after all.
BTW one of them, for example is getting stroke victims talking again and has very good reults with cerebral palsy
he also said that the qi here is very good
thanks again for the picsJuly 29, 2006 at 1:52 am #15587
“Just becuase you start out in martial arts from a place of fear does not mean you end up that way….I have changed so much since I started Healing Tao practices and still am.”
Hi Dog, Yes, I see that. You have come into this life to grow, so you are. If you were stuck on protection you wouldn’t be talking like you do.
“If I am reading you write. I agree with you, why try and tell the lung spirit how to breath it is not our job. The best thing to do is to do what we do, whitch is show our intent and smile shine our light to the life force. The life force will know what to do and how to do it.”
Yes. The lifeforce has got the perspective to handle it all. Let go and let God.
“I am right there with you on the trust issue. That is why if you have practiced just the basics 1-4 you can have that understanding and from that understanding so meany questions are answered and so much energy regained. What does a life flowing with the life force look like? Who knows just enjoy the ride.”
Yes, allowing, being open and guided. But this is so hard for most folks, you know? It’s too scary to let go.
“I have learned that you can not show intent to the life force and then say but I do not want to do this or let go of this. It is so simple show your intent smile shine your light and open up space, you just let them do there thing. I have found you can do this with DNA, and the five shen, other people. Its great.”
It takes a lot of practice for us to have a smile and a “keep your hands off the other guy” kind of attitude, but that’s what unconditional love is all about. It is the nature of the ego to try to interfere and control. Minding one’s own business yet being open to the call is so important.
“Sorry to go on and on I just thinks it is wonderful.”
It’s nice when you talk like this. You have good sentiments and I’m glad you share them with us.
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