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Is sadness ever constructive (laughter yoga question)

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 17 years, 3 months ago by Swedich Dragon.
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  • February 19, 2008 at 3:55 pm #27616
    metaperl
    Participant

    Let’s see here. Blues is a form of music that seems to extol hardship. Is sadness an emotion of a de-evolved human? Should everything be funny to an enlighted being?

    I was looking through the laughter yoga official site and it promised to teach you to laugh for no reason and to laugh at unfortunate situations.

    Now, my Qigong fundamentals material is coming and I will be learning something called Inner Smile.

    But I’m wondering about the other side of human emotions. Supposedly a balanced personality is good. Do I need frowns and crying to balance smiling and laughing?

    February 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm #27617
    Steven
    Moderator

    Hi,

    Since no one–including myself–has welcomed you
    to the board yet . . . Welcome!

    To your question:

    Most emotions are a reflection of your perceived beliefs about a
    given situation. Two different people in the exact same situation
    can have a different reaction–based solely on perception. Thus, in
    some sense, we *choose* to feel a certain way. If that’s the
    case, they why would you want to choose to feel anything but happy?

    There are two situations when it is natural to feel unhappy however.

    One is when you have some trapped emotion or issue buried within, and
    then when you act to release it, it comes out as sadness, crying, anger,
    whatever. In this case, it isn’t necessarily bad, as it is really just
    a sign of some kind of cleansing process . . . a release.

    Secondly, we oftentimes allow ourselves to get upset,
    angry, depressed, or whatever, because ultimately we
    strongly want some change to occur, and this strongly negative
    emotion is what is needed to push us over the edge . . . to give
    us the courage to start the process of change.

    Of course, if you realize that this is what you need, then you may
    as well just get to it, take action, and skip the feeling miserable part!

    Now no one can always be happy. It’s part of being human.
    However, we can choose the extent to which we internalize these feelings
    and attach them to our inner being.

    The Inner Smile, which you’ll learn at some point, really doesn’t
    have so much to do with smiling, and being *externally* happy, as it
    does cultivating the feeling of acceptance–cultivating that within,
    and being *internally* happy. Thus, if something bad comes along,
    while you definitely won’t be “happy” about it, internally you can
    reach a state of acceptance about it–and on an internal level,
    sort feel neutral about the situation.

    Ultimately this comes down to the difference between “self-acceptance”
    and “always trying to be positive”. The best explanation for this
    comes from Michael’s Inner Smile E-book (which you can download for
    free) . . . here is a relevant excerpt:

    “Our feelings naturally fluctuate over the course of our life.
    It is useless to try to have only the good feelings and not the bad ones.
    Likewise, the Inner Smile is different from just having a positive attitude.
    Don’t confuse the Inner Smile with trying to be externally cheerful
    even when inwardly you feel things are going badly.
    This “polyanna” approach is using positive emotions to control one’s
    state. The “power of positive thinking” is the mental equivalent of this.
    Positive thinking that is artificially forced on the psyche is
    only a temporarily successful strategy, because it rests on
    suppressing negative thoughts and feelings. Eventually that
    suppressed negativity, pushed down into the unconscious,
    festers and comes back to haunt you either internally as some
    disease or externally as some calamity. If you force yourself
    to remain positive the entire time, your negativity will unconsciously
    act out. Negative consciousness cannot be “killed”. That is because
    all consciousness is a part of the universal chi field, and you can’t
    kill any part of the field without killing the whole field.
    You can only change its shape. This is the whole purpose of chi kung
    science – to learn the practical methods of changing the shape of
    your personal chi field. The negativity is left buried in your
    body rather than transformed. It is literally buried alive,
    festering deep inside some organ or stored inside your bones or
    joints. It will wait for a moment of weakness, and internal
    “chi pressure” of the negativity will ooze into the cracks in
    your life, wherever it is you have a weakness. You will wonder
    why you have arthritis or a stroke. The Dark Force strikes back.”

    Best,
    Steven

    February 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm #27619
    Dog
    Participant

    Laughter and crying booth are usfull in healing but can drain the body in the process. Smiling(acceptance)is nutral nothing is needed to balance it, it will help sift the emotional chi back to its original feeling, unconditional love or acceptance, it is like you stop playing a string on your guitar anymore the string returns to a state ready to be played again. There are no lesser feelings, like notes in music, you can not point to any note in music and say that this one in of its self is evil or lesser it is about context, any note like a cronic emotional pattern if played outside the context of the other band members(or nature) can become unharmonious. You are going to get allot of great practices and info with your cds/dvd so I will not say much more. Just :)……….
    smiling to your new adventure
    Julian

    February 20, 2008 at 2:13 pm #27621
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    Hello Steven

    Like your post on feelings and much other you have been writening lately.

    I am just suprised ower you using the word qigong science, after your way of definition of science, earlier posts, there are no room as I see it for a science on qigong. Beacase qigong are to much relying on feelings and subjective processes. And beacase qigong are using terms that hardly are possible to use in science if you use the rigid definitions from the natural sciences. What is then qi shen and jing for instance.

    As I see it you have to open up to change your definition of science or not use words like qigong science. Otherways you are contradicting yourself.

    As I see it.

    🙂

    S D

    February 20, 2008 at 3:05 pm #27623
    Steven
    Moderator

    Hi SD,

    Haven’t seen you in a while! What have you been up to?

    Just a clarification, that last big long paragraph is
    a quote from Michael Winn’s E-book on “The Way of the Inner Smile”.
    I included it, because I thought that it was relevant and would
    provide another point of view . . .

    Everything else in that post are my words, but not the last
    big paragraph.

    Best,
    Steven

    February 20, 2008 at 7:19 pm #27625
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    Hello

    Much Is happening in my life in the moment and I am also quite busy teaching and
    traveling to the job take all my eforts for the moment.

    Sorry I missed it was a quote (am tired)

    Short what is happening

    Have a general feeling that wery many things on a deeper level in my life have been solved. Like I am in a new phase in my life.

    I did find some books that showed me what to do with my life according to study in my occupation that will change my planes for perhaps many ýears to come.

    My treatments with hormones seems to have some efect on my general health and I feel a bit better now even though I have been working my as of.

    Have been in contact with Hsi Lai and perhaps I will go courses in the white tiger system to be an initiate tiger. Have to decide this month.

    Have gone through the deeper feelings stopping me from connecting with the girl I like. Feel much more free for the moment. Will meet her soon and see if she will notice the difference.

    Have been able to sort out alot of old books and also some stuff from my childhood. So I can start new things easier and not have things that not are of value left. This seems to free some energy and momentum in my life.

    Have left for the moment the rigid practise plan I had and do just the exercises I like. Have been doing quite alot hatha yoga for the adranals and also some greate meditaions with the sun and the mon and the pearl from fusion practises.

    thats about it.

    S D

    February 20, 2008 at 9:49 pm #27627
    Steven
    Moderator

    Welcome to your new phase!

    It’s great to hear about all of the new changes that you’ve
    made. They all sound very positive.

    By the way, I’m sure she will notice the difference . . .
    even just in your writing here, I can feel a big change
    in your energy.

    Good to hear from you,
    Steven

    February 21, 2008 at 12:37 am #27629
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant
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