November 18, 2004 at 12:30 pm #1988
some years ago i learned
the taoist basics and i like this meditation.
But when it came to fusion i quitted
because it seemed so complicated and technical.
Now i found Michael Winn’s approach
and it might give the taoist way one more chance.
I like my meditations to be gentle and full of poetry,
Mantak Chia’s approach seems not good for me.
So, anyone got experiences with Michael Winn’s Fusion ?
Is it a big difference to Chia’s ?
How does the taoist way go on at higher levels?
It seems to me you need lots of time for kan and li meditations.
I don’t like meditation being seperate from life.
Then again doing vipassana all the time is sometimes
a bit boring and i like to explore new energies.
Is there a way that integrates both ?
formula and non-formula meditation ?
Thanks in advance,
Have a nice time, FrankNovember 18, 2004 at 10:07 pm #1989
I haven’t done Chia’s fusion. It did seem like he has a lot to memorize. I have Michael Winn’s Fusion I tape. He throws a lot of practices at you and you tend to glom onto one or two.
I like to like the practice where you ‘play’ the seasons in your body. Picture the green kidney spring. It turns into the warm red middle heart summer. Circling counter clock with the white dry lung of fall, moving into dark blue watery kidney winter, the green spring etc.
So I feel the elements circling within me. (I know spleen/stomach indian summer). I haven’t done Kan & Li.
What I want in ‘real’ life is too look at the sun and feel it echoing in my heart. See a lake and resonate with it in my kidneys. I think Fusion is aimed at experiencing that. Seeing the Macro as the micro.
It has to feel fun and natural, though sometimes it needs a push, a long push. To get into the more complex pau qua’s takes an even greater push, but I’m told you wind up in the heart of nature.
One healing tao teacher, Minke from the Silent Ground has a great (and cheap) series of guided meditations that I like quite a bit. They really ‘hold’ your hand and give you a good feeling for the practices.
I think you learn to techniques and practice them in order to forget them. So the sounds and smiles and feelings remain and echoe as you go through your day.
MichaelNovember 18, 2004 at 10:59 pm #1991
michael’s approach is much simpler than chia’s. in fact, his approach to all the formulas is much simpler than chia’s. as for separating mediation from life, i think that is something michael believes in strongly. the meditations are just a way of getting in touch with the qi, and that’s true of the kan and li as well. he’ll igve you somethings for the mind to focus on and some useful handouts because some people need that stuff to get started. after that, all the formulas proceed sponteously. i just tune in periodically to watch and feel it all happening. i will add that actually doing the meditation can help you focus on specific things and go continuously deeper. then what happens spontaneously is happening on deeper and deeper levels. michael continuously emphasises that dao is the effortless way, and i have found this to be true. he usually describes his approach as yin, if i understand him correctly, but i would say its yuan. he goes right to the center, right to the razor’s edge, but he does it so delicately and so effortlessly you never get cut. actually, you never even realize you’re going to the razor’s edge at all until it dawns on you you’re already there! his tapes are excellent, and he’s even more fun in person, redhaired gnome that he is.November 19, 2004 at 10:27 am #1993
Michael Winn wouldn’t do baguas for the first two years of his fusion practice because he thought they were artificial and complicated. But they turned up inside him anyway after a while, he says.
I never quite “got” fusion, I think because I was very mental and not too embodied. Still working on that and will be back to it.
See what happens. You can always do it and leave bits out.
INovember 19, 2004 at 2:10 pm #1995November 20, 2004 at 1:31 am #1997
Although he does not “claim” master “status”, he is without a doubt, a modern Master 🙂
MattNovember 20, 2004 at 4:26 am #1999
Thanks for answer.
Ok sometimes awareness needs a push, i agree.
Can’t think of practising fusion every day.
So what setup does Michael Winn recommend to practise Fusion?
Three times a week ? Less ?
Thanks and have a nice time 🙂
FRankNovember 21, 2004 at 10:15 pm #2001
whenever you do it, it should be fun! ;-p
hahahahaha! let the qi be your guide. when you first do it, do it often enough to learn it by heart. then let it become your practice, not his.
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