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March 20, 2005 at 4:23 pm #3580BeginnerParticipant
I posted a long personal piece earlier and forgot to give it a subject line which I guess makes it invisible and irretrievable?
It actually is a perfect example of what was the essence of my theme… that no matter how little we think we are affecting the world there isn’t a drop of us that isn’t in heaven already.
It sounds so odd and religious coming out of my mouth but the feeling sense of connecting to both the primordial/childlike/creative/mysterious/eternal self and the world of my desire/aging/one task at a time form at the same time takes the pressure off the ego to make things happen or to make a name for myself, which I obviously could not as the post erased itself. Ha.
baba (if it can be retrieved let me know how…I did spend a good amount of time on it…jeesh)March 20, 2005 at 6:03 pm #3581thelernerParticipantYour message has gone up to digital heaven. From there it shines invisibly upon us all 🙂
Peas
Michael
March 20, 2005 at 6:30 pm #3583somlorParticipantHere is the text of your post baba:
“I have been reading with great interest the conceptual frameworks that many of you are striving to give voice to. I don’t have an academic mind for spiritual practices, or much else, but have deep respect and gratitude for those who can marry them to their personal experience. Especially when your experience parallels my past and supports my present engagement in Taoist internal alchemy.
I come out of the tantric yoga ranks and have dabbled in western alchemy along the way not fully dealing with the inner frameworks of my own that lay under the surface. Each of those traditions cultivated my inner virtues and gave me tools to access and embody them in service. For this I am grateful.
This is what Michael wrote yesterday which touched me:
“And because most desires are directed at some form, this desire to eliminate desire becomes a judgment against ALL form (also known as Earth). Its a false judgment, because the desire for form arises in the formless, that is WHY incarnation happens. Spirit is transmuting itself into matter because it DESIRES to see itself – not because someone was bad in a previous life (what I call the false theory of Karma).
So the issue of desire cannot be resolved in the formless, since it arises there. Again, the tension between form and formless can only be resolved by a third state, the original (yuan) state of the trinity of jing,chi, shen in the primordial unity-chaos state. That state is not a distant historical memory – its in the deep core of every human being. IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT JING – ESSENCE OF FORM – IS PRESENT IN THE PRIMORDIAL. Evolution is unfolding that original “self” into the physical/Earth and formless/Heaven planes.”
This stimulates a meditation on my approach to the feminine in my life–whether she be in the form of personal desire, sexuality, feeling or daily physical care.
I realize that this teaching is not new to me. I have read it in various forms, be they new age or ancient texts,have engaged practices that support it, but it is one thing to conceptually grasp and try to form myself into its reflection and another to face the personal frameworks that work against it which I have grafted and held onto for core identity.
I become aware of the nuclear family, cultural and ancestral mindforms that are embraced in shadow. The memory of not having my desires respected as a child to harboring guilt and shame around intimacy and fear for my safety have driven me towards refuge in spiritual traditions.
I could only find support on some level — whether because of a lack in the tradition itself or the level of teacher or my own internal filters, I can’t fully discern — but each carried deep within a revulsion of the physical and a striving to live out the virtues of the prenatal world. I see how this perception/separation is the true sickness behind my ills.
“JING – ESSENCE OF FORM – IS PRESENT IN THE PRIMORDIAL.” And so too the converse? The primordial is present in the Jing.
There is not one drop of consciousness/form left out of heaven.
baba”
March 21, 2005 at 12:40 am #3585jsritParticipantThe msg is there. It was very pretty…the wu chi trinity yuan chi connection and all. Respect! BabNamKevalam now, all is love, from above to the tips of your tooooooooes.
March 22, 2005 at 12:54 am #3587thelernerParticipanta long time ago class on breathing.
Beginner: I just breath
Novice1: I breath deeply from my entire abdomen.
Novice2: I fill my belly and my chest up completely
Intermediate1: My kua(waist bones) open and my ribs expand w/ flex w/ each breath.
Intermediate2: The breath fills and energizes from my groin to my hair.
Advanced1: My breath begins at the tips of my toes and rises til it circles my crown.
Advanced2: MY Breath starts in the center of the earth and moves like a mushroom cloud through me and above me.
Advanced3: MY BREATH Starts in the center of the Universe and moves from its center to its infinite depths.
Master: i just breathPeas
Michael
March 23, 2005 at 3:49 am #3589JernejParticipant -
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