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Your posting made me smile…
It is already a performance to live our current life in a balanced way…
Jumping and merging with other timelines takes a lot of mental, physical and emotional strength…
Movies and mental ideas from books or channeled information, make it seem so ‘easy’ and desirable, yet doing the real stuff takes you or you are taken into time and spacedimensions that can blow your sane mind or disrupt your physical body…
I once jumped in one, yet being warned by that dimension I could not enter it without ‘protection’ because of complete different space pressure… my blood pressure went up and down in seconds like a roller coaster which is a dangerous business. Before passing out I pulled myself out of it yet taking hours to get my blood pressure back to normal.
Just to say… don’t take jumping timelines lightly…
Best
WendyLust is the mobilization of sexual energy
while being completely disconnected from the heart.Love is being completely connected to the heart,
which as a consequence draws up sexual energy of own accord.S
Having read a number of recent exchanges between you and bagua,
I can sense a good deal of frustration coming through . . .Part of the problem is, is that you two believe in different models.
Your model is one in which the individual is mortal, and by
doing the alchemical formulas of One Cloud, the process
transforms you into something else: a spiritually immortal being.Bagua’s model is one which the individual is immortal already,
and nothing needs to be done to make you immortal. All the
alchemy does is to release the cloud of attachment and confusion
that prevents you from living in a core space where you can
see this reality directly.Then when the two of you argue, you are arguing from the perspective
of your model and he is arguing from his. So there becomes an incompatibility
between what you two are talking about.Having gotten into arguments myself with both of you before, I’ve learned this
to be the case. You keep trying to fit things into your model, and
he keeps trying to fit things into his. It makes healthy discussion
difficult, as things keep going round and round in confusion until
either someone gets frustrated and gives up, or the underlying model
assumptions are brought to light.And the fact that Bagua’s style of arguing is based on having a
master’s degree in “Socratic irony” doesn’t help matters much. 😉Peace,
STo make things a bit more clear:
I was smiling with your posting because it felt so…wonderful, just that… it gave me a happy feeling… and made me smile
The rest of my reply came from a different place in me, and I realize that my own experience with jumping time/space lines made me react more ‘defensive’ on Michaels posting (but a good reader could smell that one).
That time/space jump one was a very intented one yet my stubborn self ignored the warnings. So I am not in right place to deny others to jump.I can only say… be careful and take care when you enter unidentified time/space zones 🙂
Creating our own reality with loving kindness is the safe route :))
Have fun jumping!
This sounds reasonable enough. I think it is very true about constantly having to clarify the respective underlying assumptions, and that is where a lot of my frustration comes in.
I would call his style more enigmatic socratic minimalism, or whatever.Yes and no, I agree but there’s a bit more to it, because you can feel unconditional love like for your grandparents or for young children that doesn’t necessarily draw in the kidney energy as it does for someone who you are attracted to.
To elaborate, I can be attracted to someone that I’m not in love with (like you said), and people can get addicted to that kind of relationship.
The balance point being that it is much better to be with a lover that you are attracted to AND in love with…and it is essentially true that if you are in love with someone (in a romantic sense), then the sexual attraction is there too.
The bottom line of it is that I just wanted to make the point that is is good to be aware of those two polarities and MUCH better to be with someone that you are in love with than just attracted to whenever possible.
From the viewpoint of spiritual cultivation I think that it helps resolve things on a larger scale when two people are together who love each other, as that stellar spark from the heart that feels the love is drawn to something similar in the other person. The lust helps ground it in to the physical body and makes it real here in the physical plane so it exists in the emotional, spirit and physical bodies.
I guess that’s why people say “follow your heart” rather than “follow your ****”
Chris Dewreede
Yes, as per the context, I was referring to *romantic* love.
Speaking more generally, of love all-inclusive,
when the heart fills up with love, a “logic gate” is
activated in the body which asks the question, “is this
someone I feel a jing/kidney/sexual attraction to?”. If
the answer is yes, then the process I referred to earlier
proceeds unimpeded; otherwise, a subroutine is triggered
which terminates further development. Examples of
subroutine triggers are relatives, children, genders
you aren’t attracted to (i.e. sexual orientation), etc.Of course, a natural follow-up question to this analysis
would be: “Does this mean that the love for a romantic
partner eventually exceeds that of love for others?”The answer is yes.
In fact, there is a what I would call, a healthy love
hierarchy . . . (stay tuned)S
Note: The below is my own observation that I came to
over a long period of time . . . StevenHEALTHY LOVE HIERARCHY
1. Yourself
2. Spouse/Life Partner
3. Anyone else you loveIf items #1 and #2 are reversed, this disorder is CO-DEPENDENCY.
This is when you try to fill the lack of love for yourself
with someone else’s love, putting them above yourself.
This disorder creates fuel for mental and/or physical abuse.
Sets the stage for chaos and misery for all involved.If items #2 and #3 are reversed, this disorder is EROSION.
Examples of this:
A. Husband has more love for his mother than his wife.
Wife feels inadequate and not respected, and feels like
there is a third party in their relationship.
Relationship erodes.
Husband should always put the wife first; a loving mother
should understand.B. Wife has more love for her children than her husband.
When the wife puts the children before the husband, the
husband will feel unloved and not special. Sets the
stage for adultery, dissolution, and/or divorce.
Relationship erodes.
Wife should always put the husband before the children;
if the children are loved but recognize the husband-wife
bond is the most important, they will feel secure in the home;
despite unrelenting attempts of attention by the children, putting
them first not only creates unspoken insecurity in them, but destroys the
primary relationship.There are other examples as well (including the obvious ones of
swapping gender roles in the above discussion).So once again,
1. Yourself
2. Spouse/Life Partner
3. Anyone else you loveAside: Connection to the divine (i.e. spirituality) I consider part
of the “Yourself” category . . .Cheers,
StevenA few comments on the nature of the process called love. What you said above is well put, but I am averse to hierarchies, so here are some musings on similar ideas:
I think many of the problems in relationships as you mentioned above, happen because people are unconscious of themselves, are unaware of what they are feeling, and do not have the tools to work with the shen to sense what is happening. I guess knowing (chinese) astrology might help map things out people don’t have to start form scratch, but that shouldn’t substitute for cultivation.
Different kinds of love: emotional love from the heart shen, deep spiritual love coming through the heart shen, either of these grounded through the kidneys (manifesting it into the physical, giving it substance), any combination of the positive virtues from the shen that could compound into a feeling of affection called “love” as expressed through the person from their geomantic and astrologic sources.
Even when people are young, they may feel emotional or spiritual “romantic” love for another person, which of course they could not manifest through a relationship, but it is there as a learning experience. The feeling can sometimes be so strong that it “pulls them out of their center”, and the other person may feel more important than themselves because they have not yet developed boundaries.
People may also feel intense sexual attraction to someone who they are not necessarily “in love with”. This is another strong feeling from the shen, not the same as the strong spirit coming through the heart from the stars.
This process is about getting to “know yourself”, and know the boundaries between yourself and other people. It is about “finding your center”, which is a changing process in itself.
Some big questions are: How often do people really experience “love”? If we could call love when there is a deep heart attraction (presumably from the stellar over souls) that is so intense that it wipes everything else out? Is love something that can develop over time in a relationship? Are these all the same kinds of love? Do ALL the shen express something from the star quadrants or is it mainly coming through the heart?
I do think that many people get into relationships where they feel a certain kind of love, but it may not be that deep, intense spiritual connection… and it is hard to say if that is really the thing to look for or trust, But I do think that it plays an important role in life completion, even just having the experience, whether one ends up being in a relationship with that person or not.
Having said all that,, I do think that it is important to be with some one where you both experience love. And also to be aware of what that “love feeling” is, because it is like a spiritual signal home through the stars to the source that is being experienced with another person. I suppose also that it may happen to varying degrees with people because of how the star frequencies are being filtered through the personal shen, but are they filtered through all the shen or only the heart?
To say it differently without making it into a hierarchy: the kind of love one would feel for their children or parents is different than what one would feel for their wife/husband/lover because of how it is expressed through both the heart and kidney shen, grounding it into the physical, and in varying degrees to how the stellar oversouls are being completed through that particular coupling. People are often in relationships where the stellar bond is obscured, and would have more of an emotional love. The importance of having a spiritual connection in a relationship is being able to complete it and manifest it through the kidney shen that grounds the love into the physical, which creates a continuum from the stellar mind into the physical, creating a deeper sense of completion.
If someone has that deep heart connection with someone else that is being grounded through the kidneys, they should not mistake that for the emotional love that they would feel for parents or children. This is a case where someone does not have clear boundaries: a confused kidney shen that is not being clearly directed/controlled by the earth shen.
So it seems that there is an unconditional emotional love that people feel from the heart shen, and there is also a deeper star connection that is coming through the heart shen as kind of a signal to a deeper level of themselves, that they may experience from different people at the same time to differing degrees of intensity. By being in a relationship with someone who shares that spiritual connection, it creates a sense of personal completion through making it real in the physical.
Some important points (not necessarily in order of importance):
1. Cultivate awareness of the feelings (virtue/de) so one has the tools to work with them and know what they are when they are present.
2. Cultivate awareness of the stellar connection (feels stronger than the virtues) so you can recognize it in others.
3. Develop a strong center so you are not pulled out of it by others (know when to draw boundaries).
Chris Dewreede
Wow! What a fun, deep discussion.
It felt like a family reunion, everyone jumping in with their deep insights, and fighting about it with their sibs. Afterwards everyone forgetting the fight and going off to play together, again.
Or maybe I am just tuned into time shifts, as I’m about to head off to Tao Garden for a Healing Tao family reunion, the first in 30 years. It makes the jumping timelines issues quite real…are we jumping down memory lane into the past, or using 30 years of practice and collective chi to jump into a new future timeline?
Wendy: I was present when you got jumped by beings from a different timeline, and began your exploration in this area. Thanks for the digest of that. I wonder if “being present in the moment, more lovingly” isn’t a slow motion “yin” attempt to draw distracted/wandering souls into a harmonic resonance with another timeline in which love is the rule?
The Singing Ocean – Bagua discourse: I think a safe defintion of “reality”, as it relates to jumping timelines, implies a shift in one’s core assemblage point. That assemblage point is a point in which you agree to operate within the rules of a collective reality, none of which are more “real” than the next dimension, just different rules.
So by my definition, to really jump a timeline, you need a certain level of integration of jing, chi, and shen before you can get all three to jump into a new timeline.
What makes the question interesting right now is that I suspect the Earth itself, a giant collective consciousness, is itself in the process of jumping, or at least splitting itself into two timelines. So in this case the integration needed for the shift is being supplied BY THE COLLECTIVE, and the individual human just needs to agree to it. Piggyback, so to speak. But still need clear intention.
And clear intention is, at its highest level, LOVE. So all the discussion about love is relevant to jumping into the New Earth timeline, as i feel it is one based on love as being conscious and primary. Thanks Steven for your thoughts, very cogent in this reality – but will the New Earth have the same level of struggle with defining and expressing love? I hope not……
love, love, love,
jump into its timeline,
Michael
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