September 9, 2007 at 1:35 pm #24320
Over on Tao Bums there has been some discussion about Lama Dorje. I came across it and found it interesting. He has studied with a Wu Dang master and others. Thought I might make a post here for others if they find it interesting to check it out. He has a two day class coming up very soon that I may attend in Los Angeles.
Lama Dorje website:
Regards.September 9, 2007 at 6:32 pm #24321
… he’s done alot of stuff, and if he’s mastered it all, hats off! jSeptember 9, 2007 at 9:27 pm #24323
interesting dude, we can add him to the list of people with the ability to transmit powerful qi.
He does briefly mention qigong (classified as “absorbing qi from the stars and planets, and nature”), and neigong (the ability to transmit qi), but doesn’t really talk about inner alchemy practice, I guess the kunlun neigong fills that area.
Magnetic qi seems to be the subject of the day, so let us know how the session goes!September 10, 2007 at 8:55 am #24325
I’ve already been to this party- I studied with Max about five years ago.
The video on the website is NOT of max. I am frankly skeptical of the “bounce” power demonstrated – this kind of thing I have seen demonstrated in the past required students who are highly entrained with the teacher/projecting person. i.e. if they were attacked by a martial artist who is well rooted, and not a student, it would simply not work. I’d need to see it tested that way to believe it. Max definitely did not demonstrate this ability when I studied with him.
The info on the site about Max does not exactly match the biographical information he gave me. Its a slightly shifted story, as if he doens’t want people really investigating his past, or is ambivalent about coming public, and he clearly was ambivalent when I studied with him. I get the sense he is being pushed out by some “packagers”, maybe the people putting the film out….
That being said, I like Max a lot, and he knew a lot of interesting Taoist and Bon practices – but neither I nor Ron Diana, who I invited to study with him as well,felt he had any extraordinary powers at the time. Of course things could change. But I notice also that the list of practices taught on his website is quite incomplete – he is hiding his main practices, some of which he did teach me and which he considers to be for oral tranmission only.
I’d be interested to hear a report from someone checking out his current teachings. I think he could bring in some fresh chi into the scene that is not hung up on lineage isues (problem with most chinese teachers). I found max to be a reasonably humble guy, even a bit insecure about his identity. I couldn’t understand why he was hiding behind the Lama title as it didn’t really reflect hs core Taoist orientation.
michaelSeptember 11, 2007 at 7:17 pm #24327
Michael, I plan on attending the Lama Dorje Kunlun seminar in LA later on this month. One concern I have though is he says not to combine this practice with any other energetic practices in order to avoid creating a “third harmonic” that could be “extremely detrimental to your [my!] health.” Trouble is that I’m very attached to the Kan&Li practice. From what I’ve read though Kunlun sounds very similar. Some passages from Lama Dorje’s book: “When we breathe in and out the sun and moon channels are activated. This is a state of polarity. During Kunlun level one, breathing becomes less and less and eventually ceases as the sun and moon channels energetically collapse. When this occurs, the central channel activates and opens one up to a pure magnetic reality.” And also, “level two allows the experience of the consort within ourselves. We will nourish the Dragon Body of Bliss by the energetic union of the male and female polarity. This is the ‘inner’ mixing of fire and water, better known as the union of Kan and Li, or the merging of yin and yang.”
Do you know how his “kan and li” differs from the version you teach? What is your take on the importance of not mixing them? Thanks!September 13, 2007 at 6:32 am #24329
Don’t you think he might be attemting to set up a monopoly on subtle energy practices? i.e. “Only practice MY take on alchemy”September 13, 2007 at 10:23 am #24331
luke rulesSeptember 13, 2007 at 11:36 am #24333
… could you possibly expand on what you mean just a TINY bit? 🙂 🙂 🙂
love jSeptember 13, 2007 at 2:56 pm #24335
erm… doesn’t it make a lot of sense to not mix certain practices? Just as you wouldn’t want to constantly shoot energy out of your head when practicing microcosmic orbit…
To say that he says not to mix practices because he wants a monopoly is rather ludicrous to me…September 14, 2007 at 7:58 am #24337
The question does not have a fixed answer. If you look at the list of practices Max offers, he obviously mixes practices and has done so his whole life. It moe important for beginners to not mix practices, they have no ground of their own and each practice shifts their center.
if you are at the level of practicing kan and li, you should have a strong enough center to evaluate any new practice and to ask your inner sage whether this variation of kan and li is useful to you or not. and if so, how so.
remember, the nature of alchemical work is experimental, and prescriptions to do it in a fixed way are mostly designed to get someone to do the practice long enough to get its effect.
If you are really worried about his threat of it being “detrimental to your health”, then you should not go, you are not ready to explore it.
I encourage opening up alchemical practices so they get refined in teh collective cauldron – but only the strong players wil really have the skill to integrate different methods. Max’s version of kan and li look pretty simple to me, but simple can be good if there is a nice transmission withit. How will anyone ever know if they can safely mix a practice, unless they first expose themselves to it?
But you need to empty your mind of all the hype on the video on the website. Most of max’s practices that I learned – about a dozen – did not interest me and I discarded. Only one did I find useful. Too many forms become baggage, every adept needs to develop a series of practices that integrate with each other. That is what I have been doing for years – adding in refinements that serve the principles and methods of the primary path of development in the 7 alchemy formulas. But everyone will do that in their own way, andmay discover new ways to improve them.
hope this helps.
I am off to Stonehenge where I will be introducing a new practice that integrates with previous kan and li practices, but has developed from an idea I got from an outside practice and worked it over for a few years until I finally saw a totally new application of it – a down load not from any other lineage but from my deep self. I asked for the method, and it came shortly thereafter. My postnatal mind couldn’t get it by itself, though it knew what it wanted.
That is experimental alchemical work – this new practice is a fantastic addition to lesser kan and li. But it never would have haappened if I had listened to the lineage warning that the original practice should never be mixed with any other practice.
Roadsigns are there for your safety, but when the driving conditions and your skill are sufficient, you can safely speed to get to where you are going more quickly.September 14, 2007 at 11:54 am #24339
well there is omerta and let it be left to luke, and here just be talked about
if he believed in his dilemma: the question was written from viewpoint of pure freedom, which will ensure his survival if he holds on to his integrity
if does not believe in his dilemma: he disclosed a secret in a way that is legitimate to external examination, and can leave to his integrity the internal examination
of course the politically correct option is first
but in both cases his integrity can remain
which is why the post rules supreme
on the other hand i may be just projecting trickster mentality on others
which is my issue then
and i know my core values
do youSeptember 14, 2007 at 10:37 pm #24341
That does help. I’ll go and trust my “inner sage” to figure out how or whether to integrate the practices. Thanks for taking the time to respond. 🙂
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