September 19, 2008 at 12:58 am #29143
I am looking for info on a Martial Art school or style that relates to the inner alchemy first / southern school. If anyone knows what I am talking about, would appreciate any insights or recommendations for martial study. Is there wudang mountain southern style kung fu? what are the names of these styles? Do people teach it in the US?
I have been looking for info but most has to do with shaolin southern, which isn’t what I am looking for.
Thanks for any insights!
MattSeptember 19, 2008 at 3:21 pm #29144
I’m not exactly sure what your question is. Are you looking for a style that incorporates both characteristics of southern martial arts and southern alchemy methods? or are you looking for a southern style martial art that incorporates any kind of alchemy method? or are you looking for any kind of martial art that incorporates southern alchemy methods? i hope i didn’t over complicate that, if you could clarify the question i think i could help answer it.
RyanSeptember 20, 2008 at 12:28 am #29146
Thanks for asking, you are not being over complicated at all, I wasn’t being clear 🙂
I am looking for a chinese kung fu style that I can get into / starts (martially) from a point where one has already done the chi or southern alchemy methods and has grown / internalised that. I read about a branch / school that works that way and can’t remember where I read it, lol. Just wondering if you our anyone else knows what I that is.
MattSeptember 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm #29148
Dang, i don’t think i’ve heard of that. It does sound pretty branch/system/school specific. Do you remember *any* other characteristics about it? I do some martial arts research, so i thought i might have known, and i still might be able to help you find it if you remember any other characteristics. Southern Praying Mantis is a pretty hardcore southern internal style, so one of its systems might have that element. It also might help you in your searching to know that southern styles are referred to as Nan Quan. Let me know if you find anything, it sounds interesting to me too. Do you practice martial arts right now? If so, what style(s)?
RyanSeptember 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm #29150
Here’s some info on Southern Praying Mantis:
http://www.shenmentao.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204&highlight=southernSeptember 20, 2008 at 6:53 pm #29152
You probably know this, but it’s worth adding that there are methods of transmutation within Xingyiquan, Taijiquan, and i think in Baguazhang too. And once you have done practices like Healing Love (which I think is the main differentiation between northern and southern Taoist alchemy methods), then this of course takes the arts to new levels. Which now brings me to the thought that perhaps the thing you were looking for was Qing gong, light skills. It’s basically necessary to be celibit or do sexual practices such as Healing Love (“southern” practice) in order to cultivate Qing gong. I can give you further information on Qing gong, if you like.
PS, in case the question comes up of why I think Healing Love type practices can be considered southern methods, it is because Jou, Tsung Hwa basically made that distinction in his book The Tao of Meditation.September 21, 2008 at 10:23 pm #29154
Yes, I am interested in more info… I learned and diligently practiced the Healing Tao system, including healing love, MO, Fusion, Iron Shirt 1,2, and 3, all the K&L’s, H&E alchemy, and probably some stuff I can’t remember, lol. Excellent system. It was the right practice for me at the right time. Funny how that works. The system is a treasure with the ability to help one find the greatest blessing there is as a human being.
The closest I have been to the martial stuff is a college Karate class and some kickboxing exercise videos 🙂 I did start learning tai chi from a wonderful teacher from China at our local Y.
I also read “The Tao of Meditation”. Glad you mentioned it, I pulled it off the bookshelf, some relevant stuff I found. I am working with Crane medicine right now if you are familiar with power animals? Anyway, there was a picture of a sage on a Crane 🙂
Yes, definitely Healing Love is a southern school practice. Becuase in the southern school they fostered entering into spiritual practice AFTER one had fullfilled their life / family responsibilities. Becuase they were older, they needed extra power. So they utilized the sexual energy to overcome the net loss situation they were in.
Northern school was opposite thought. They sought Tao BEFORE starting a family and responsibility. Being young, they were full of jing, just stay celibate and it works at that point in life. Generally speaking the sexual practices were considered more risky. Anyway, just sharing that in case you didn’t know that.
MattSeptember 24, 2008 at 1:58 pm #29156
I heard Akido was a combination of Chin Na and Bagua and his own personal twist. In my martial arts training I have found that the inner smile to be key as well. All other attitudes creates some or maintains some sort of resistance. In your own culture you have systema the history of it is questionable but today it is an interesting art form. I personally think fajing unnecessary, and I work my inner smile and grounding or iron shirt.September 24, 2008 at 8:06 pm #29158
I didn’t want to leave you hangin’ so hears a quick response, i’ll post a more detailed one within the next week so please keep checking back here. Qing gong is often translated as “light skills”. This is when people can jump really really really high, run up and alongside walls, walk in sand with no traces, and run atop trees. People with qing gong also do demonstrations where they stand on top light bulbs or eggs and the don’t break. It probably wouldn’t be defined as a martial art or martial art system, but can be used as a martial skill and as part of an art and system.
There’s a rumor that it’s a “lost art”, but from what i can tell it’s just a rumor. To achieve high qing gong skills, it would probably take about ten years, and when training in it was common, people would start their qing gong training from a young age (pre puberty). It isn’t commonly trained today, so it would almost surprise me to here that it were being trained openly and systematically. There are various training methods, some more focusing on physical body parts and some more focusing on energy. Apparently Robert Peng is teaching the more energy oriented art.
I personally think that training both the energy method and physical body methods, in concurrence with Healing Tao practices and martial art training would provide the best results. I’ll cite again Jou, Tsung Hwa. If you look in The Tao of Meditation in the section where he discusses Kan and Li, he says that doing that meditation can provide the body a feeling of lightness.
I plan to write more on the subject and provide you with links and resources, but there you have a little bit info. I don’t know if this was what you were looking for when you made your post, but i think it’s a very interesting topic.
Here’s a link to Robert Peng’s site, he lists the light bulb thing as a demonstration skill:
RyanSeptember 25, 2008 at 12:06 am #29160
🙂 thanks Ryan, no pressure, really. I am enjoying our conversation and I have been getting a lot of insights from what you are saying 🙂 Best, Matt
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