May 21, 2008 at 5:21 pm #28358
to whom it may concern…
in reference to posts on down the board and recent passing of Hoffman..
two enjoyable and scholarly books on LSD psychotherapy are well worth looking into if you want to know what is REALLY up with LSD, not crap rumors, and would like to know why psychologists love it so much..
LSD and Alcoholism by Abramson
LSD Psychotherapy by Grof..
also worht looking into on the lighter end..
The Varities of Psychedelic Experience by Masters and Houston..
and for the psychedelic entheogen cosmic trip side,
Leary’s “Your Brain is God”, which addresses the ultimate questions of the human endeavor… it’s goal is the imprint of the Taoist Consciousness Experience
in over 10,000 documented cases via just this handful of books, all came away proclaiming the VITAL and UNQUESTIONABLE
Therapeutic and Religious importance of LSD..
everyone recovered from even the worst of trips in jst a few weeks..
many had incredible recoveries
the first two books present honest recounts of the worst of it, which even at its worst was still seen as necessary and beneficial to the patients…
the new books “Psychedelic Medicine” by WInkleman and Roberts
bring the new term “psycho-integration” for the effects on consiousness during “reactor” like sessions…
also you will find the concepts of “The Perinatal Matrix” and it’s relationship the voyages… and the role of memory constellations in long term disorders treatable via LSD…
Grof reports that many experienced their own birth while shiftinng into a mode of consiousness which experienced all of life, cellular processes, and devlopments as part of a universal consiousness continuum..
this is where Leary promotes the imprinting of the TAO… and as such wrote a collection of poems devoted to the Tao as a major goal of the LSD experience..
what we need is PSYCHEDELIC LITERACY…
these are VITAL tools and sacred substances for powerful moments in life..
suitable for initiation and catalyzation of new life stages..May 21, 2008 at 9:04 pm #28359
A couple of questions:
1. Have you ever used LSD?
2. How many times have you used it?
Reason I ask is that I had some friends who took LSD and told me
that all of the “amazing discoveries” they became aware of,
they lost once they returned to normal.
So if it’s possible to have a “profound” experience while you
are tripping, but it doesn’t carry over afterward . . . if you lose
all insight after returning to normal, what the point in the risk?
It sorts of seems to me that it just burns up your resources without
any long term benefit, and seems kind of risky to me.
SMay 22, 2008 at 1:46 pm #28361
I think it is better, rather than counting on my individual responses to consult the literature which we are blessed to have and which is now preparing to grow again with new international research across the psychedelic spectrum…
first you have issues of dosage… then frequency…
occasional monumental sessions are exactly that.. frequent low dose could raise your GPA and IQ…
Ram Dass stated in “Be Here Now” that at one point the whole academic crew spent 1 to 2 weeks straight in Satori/Nirvana/Void space.. since there is no lethal dose of LSD, they reached an apex point where, in their description, they could chug the stuff with no more result…
years later in India he would share capsules with yogis who were, in his terms, already there…
this is of course not meant to trivialize the experience.. you are, in this context, talking about an awakening to a death rebirth process, a rolling back through the records of evolution, and a union with the energy flux of the senses…
but for many people what you are talking about are either
1) singular experiences which are life altering
2) repeated use which leads to a lifestyle of philosophy/art/religion.. most especially the arts…
every trip is different because there seems to be an innate integrative intelligence to the whole process, but the actual behavior of the cns as an antennae/processor/transceiver is consistent… and chemical
Leary’s books are excellent..
the problem is all of the street people who have no idea what is going to do or how to relate to the experience and have no vocabulary or psychological studies under their belt…May 22, 2008 at 2:47 pm #28363
Firstly, a person can always reminisce about some great experience they *had*,
and use that to romanticize the experience and then write a book.
Secondly, you can’t ask questions to a book. Only to a live person can you
do that. That’s why my questions to you are relevant.
Thirdly, in reference to you–if you’ve never used LSD before–then
it’s easy to read these romantic viewpoints, and wish you had some–but
it’s well likely that if you talked to these people directly and
pressed them that they would likely admit that in the present
moment when not on LSD, they no longer have any gained insights.
Fourthly, if you have indeed used LSD, or use LSD, then the real
question is, can you *honestly* say that any enlightenment/insight
that you received while tripping remains after not taking it anymore?
As I said, I’ve had friends that have taken LSD, and they
would go on about how great the experience was, but when pressed
if their great insights and awareness remained after coming down,
the answer was no. Like riding a roller coaster, once you
get off the thing it becomes just a memory. If you’ve used and
have a different opinion, then provide one–otherwise I can
only assume my assessment is correct.
The *only* thing that matters is the present moment.
The past is subjective, and the future is an illusion.
We live in the present moment, and that is what counts.
The goal is to get greater insight, awareness, openness in the
here and now–a *memory* of having had an insight doesn’t do much!
Useful tools are ones that are continuously transformative to the
present experience. Everything else is just a tease, something
that makes you think it’s doing something, but in reality does
nothing at all.
Unless you can refute my assessment with a different *personal*
experience, the only other option as I see it would be for
someone to take LSD continuously so that they never come back
down . . . or is it this that you are advocating?
I’ll say again: useful tools are ones that are continuously
transformative to the present experience–and I would go so
far as to say that they are the *only ones* of any real value.
SMay 22, 2008 at 3:38 pm #28365
wrong impression, you should still read the books though
i happen to have some time off to write today… but in respect to forum space I’ll save any other posts until a later date..
if you will actually look at the books you will see that there is no way to interpret them in that context.. primarily the first two from Abramson and Grof, but others as well..
no, these are long term case studies with specific results and documentation..
but, aside from that, if you want to get subjective, which is what I am trying to avoid in posting..
yes, I LOVE psychedelic chemicals and have had quite a few experiences with quite a few of them…
i have done both.. the single power trip and the frequent longer term..
THESE HAVE BEEN LIFE CHANGING…
the single most important experiences of my life..
to have lived without them is to have never lived to begin with..
and so says the majority of the new John Hopkins psychedelic study..
or Leary, Metzner or Alpert..
or plenty of people…
short term results were experiences of sensory satori, “telepathy” and unlocking of memory patterns and a psychic-organic nature of the self.. the sensory experience and artistic mode of being are reason enough
long term results were third eye opening and information “downloads”…. which, while occurring during single sessions, provide the materials for life long studies and changes
you should research iboga in Africa, which is a part of their spiritual tradition and a preservation of the primal elemental system within the global technosphere
in large part, you are talking about an experience of a higher evolution which comes through an awakening to psychic-molecular-cellular processes which mirror the TAO
if you do not know what a psychic-molecular-cellular process or higher evolution is about or how it mirrors the TAO, then you should find a holy way to experience psychedelics
they are tools, but can also be integrated as part of regular spiritual ceremony
the general trend seems to be that if you use them consistently, it becomes less of a psycho-integrative experience and more of a sensory antennae issue..
my point with the texts is that this is NOT going blindly into the unknown.. people have been there and charted it and can say, yes!
It is therapeutic, spiritual, and we have seen the worst of it and it is still beneficial..
if all the street rumors were true, various international governments would not be proceeding with LSD, psilocybin, MDMA etc studies…May 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm #28367
>>i happen to have some time off to write today…
>>but in respect to forum space I’ll save any other
>>posts until a later date..
I wouldn’t worry about that!
If you haven’t noticed, forum activity has been pretty low
recently–in part due to having a number of regulars on the
China Dream Trip and others not on the trip, but in a
state of transition (myself included).
>>but, aside from that, if you want to get subjective,
>>which is what I am trying to avoid in posting..
Yes, I *do* want to get subjective. It’s much more real and
tangible and carries the emotion and heart of the experience–
something that can be lacking in a pure scientific approach.
According to the scientific model, TOBACCO is deadly and
destructive to health . . . a scourge that should be banned.
HOWEVER, through my lifetime of having an on-again-off-again torrid
love affair with the herb, I’ve learned that regular
but *controlled* use creates not only health BENEFITS but profound
*spiritual* benefits as well–both of which I could expound
paragraphs upon!! It is a wonderful herb that has unfortunately
been cast aside due to OVERUSE, ABUSE, and FEAR.
The only reason I quit is to cowtow to society pressure and
so that as a future spiritual/qigong teacher I’ll be taken more
To avoid going off on a tangent, let me just say that
when it comes to something that relates to personal human experience,
I value the subjective more.
>>yes, I LOVE psychedelic chemicals and have had quite a few
>>experiences with quite a few of them…
>>i have done both.. the single power trip and the frequent longer term..
>>THESE HAVE BEEN LIFE CHANGING…
>>the single most important experiences of my life..
>>to have lived without them is to have never lived to begin with..
Really? How have they been life changing? How do you view life
now as different from before? How and what kinds of insights do
you believe you have now from these experiences that you didn’t
have before? Can you share? Can you put it into words? Can you try?
>>short term results were experiences of sensory satori,
>>”telepathy” and unlocking of memory patterns and a
>>psychic-organic nature of the self.. the sensory experience
>>and artistic mode of being are reason enough
>>long term results were third eye opening and information
>>”downloads”…. which, while occurring during single sessions,
>>provide the materials for life long studies and changes
OK, these seem like pretty interesting and profound experiences
during the period of influence, but what kind of tangible
lasting insights can you say you have afterward? I mean
this sort of goes back to the paragraph above, but it really
relates to the question of what has been actually been carried forward.
Can you give specifics?
>>you should research iboga in Africa, which is a part
>>of their spiritual tradition and a preservation of the
>>primal elemental system within the global technosphere
>>in large part, you are talking about an experience of a
>>higher evolution which comes through an awakening to
>>psychic-molecular-cellular processes which mirror the TAO
>>if you do not know what a psychic-molecular-cellular process
>>or higher evolution is about or how it mirrors the TAO, then
>>you should find a holy way to experience psychedelics
But do they last? Or are they just short term during the
experience? Don’t get me wrong–I’m not being stubbornly
against. I’m just trying to get to the root of the root here.
Is it just a seductive short-term sweetness, or does some part
actually carry forward providing overall change in raising
to a higher consciousness level?
SMay 22, 2008 at 11:49 pm #28369
what I am emphasizing here is that you don’t have to focus on
“life changing experiences”
when, on a very major level you are talking about sensory perception..
augmented, aligned, fused, catalyzed sensory perception…
awash on rich symphonic oceans of sound or light touching the core of your being..
on a metaphysical level, those events DO occur, and it is a deep mystery how the brain and cns can coordinate and fuse such diverse regions of memory/psychology/soul
how much more can you want than direct contact with nonphysical intelligences opening up third eye memory networks and communicating complex concepts via direct transference of knowledge, language, and imagery?
if you are asking for specifics, the role of the thymus gland, the reign of King Aurthur, the Holy Grail, and an “electric” body of light were all part of the knowledge transferred…
long term you are talking about the tree of life or nei dan gong…
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