April 12, 2016 at 11:34 am #46368
Note: very interesting study of MRI’s on LSD users. Unfortunately, what the study cannot show is how the drug depletes your jing – the price of getting so high is burning up a lot of jing, as do marijuana and other drugs. I explored all these back in the 70’s. You can restore your brain to its pure state of awareness with combo of qigong and inner alchemy meditation – without the side effects. But limited use may be of benefit to some people. – MichaelApril 13, 2016 at 7:32 am #46369
Michael says that taking LSD and other drugs burns up a lot of Jing.
In a post in a recent – and very interesting – thread on drugs, Steven says that
ANY chemical that alters biochemistry, be that caffeine, nicotine, LSD, ayahuasca, ibuprofen, whatever, needs to be detoxified by the body–typically the liver–and exhausts qi to do so. Also, the cascade of different hormone releases via the introduction of the chemical also acts a drain on resources.
Just wondering if Michael’s notion of burning up Jing is captured by Steven’s notion of the drain on resources resulting from hormone release?April 13, 2016 at 7:20 pm #46371
>>>Just wondering if Michael’s notion of burning up Jing
>>>is captured by Steven’s notion of the drain on
>>>resources resulting from hormone release?
I’ll let Michael speak for himself, but basically that’s it.
The stores of hormones that are held and manufactured by your adrenal, thyroid, parathyroid, etc. glands are your body essence. This stored body essence combined with stored life force energy, is part of your jing. Biochemical drugs (of any kind) force a release of these. Then your body has to use its reserves to replenish them. These reserves in TCM are considered irreplaceable (you only get so much at birth). Yes, in CCM and in alchemy, it is considered possible to replenish these reserves, but how skilled is a person?
In short, artificially using up these stores, you accelerate the natural life progression of jing->qi->shen conversion, leading to your eventual death. The irony is, is that if you tell your body (via chemicals) you want to escape life and escape its natural state [whether this is caffeine, ayahuasca, or heroin], it helps you in your wish (in proportion to the potency of the drug), by living a shorter life.
StevenApril 14, 2016 at 2:41 am #46373
Thanks for the clarification, Steven. Very helpful.
My (very limited) understanding is that in certain traditional societies, shaman took psychedelics on numerous occasions (as this was part of their “job”, so to speak). If this understanding is correct, is it known whether shaman generally lived shorter lives, or did they have the ability to replenish their essence?April 14, 2016 at 3:19 am #46375
I don’t think it is so easy to make an A-for-B comparison, because you don’t know long they would have lived had they NOT done so many drugs. There is no way to replay the person’s life and compare. Oldest woman on record, Jeanne Calment who lived to 122, smoked and drank. But is that an argument in support for smoking and drinking? Unlikely, because you don’t know how long she would have lived if she had not done those things. Some people already have a genetic advantage, so negative influences while they subtract, they still end up with a long life overall. In particular, I suspect that many shamans are drawn to healing work because their lifeforce is already quite strong, so it might be difficult to make comparisons with the general public when they may tend toward genetic advantages to begin with. And this doesn’t even address the lifeforce replenishment issue that you raised, which I can’t really speak on, because I have no idea what they might be doing outside of their group drug use. So, interesting question, but likely impossible to answer.
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