October 19, 2013 at 9:36 am #41368
what are some differences in the way mantak and michael teach Fusion and Kan & Li, or other practices? I read that michael integrates western depth psychology into fusion, I guess mantak doesn’t do this?October 19, 2013 at 6:38 pm #41369
It would take a book to itemize all of the differences.
Here are just a few guidelines:
1. Michael has taken most of the alchemical meditations, and then either found–or created–qigong sets whose practice effectively does the alchemy for you.
To me, this is probably his number one greatest contribution and is the most valuable. For alchemy to be truly effective, it needs to be embodied and not just a mental exercise. The qigong is helpful to get you out of your head and into your body. Thus if you can’t meditate, you can still do the alchemy by doing the qigong. At the same time, if you do wish to meditate, your alchemical meditations will be more embodied and thus more powerful from having done the qigong training.
2. He has a graduated training, starting from basic building blocks, and then working up to more advanced methods in a linear logical fashion.
Again, this is a huge contribution. Much of M. Chia’s practices, whenever he covers a certain topic, he gives you *everything* imaginable, all at once. Expect to pull in stars, planets, shamanic spirits, etc. in even the basic practices. This is fun for experienced practitioners, but not necessarily the easiest to replicate as a workable practice for newcomers. E.G. Michael saves the advanced K&L material for the advanced K&L classes where it is appropriate.
3. Michael incorporates some extra “dream-style” meditations.
Whether it is a daydream of being on a beach (Fusion 1), being at the north pole/Sahara desert (Lesser K&L), or being in a sorcerer’s laboratory (Lesser K&L), etc., they all have one main function: to get you out of an abstract idea and get you more in touch with your own feeling nature. This again amplifies the embodied quality and they also empower the standard alchemical Healing Tao meditations that are also covered.
4. Michael also covers extra “channeled” alchemical meditations in his Advanced K&L curriculum, not found elsewhere, in addition to the core material. You only get these if you follow his coursework.
THOSE are probably the main points. Other issues probably fall into one of the above four categories.
That’s not to say that Master Chia’s material is somehow inferior.
It’s not. It’s all good stuff.
StevenOctober 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm #41371
Thanks Steven for the thorough response. So will learning Fusion from one of mantak’s students in the future be a huge departure from Michael Winn’s style? I read that it might be more repressive… could you talk more about Fusion specifically?October 20, 2013 at 3:22 am #41373
That depends on a lot of things.
If an instructor was a student of M. Chia, what version of Fusion they learned, depends on when they learned it from him. Moreover, some of his students want to preserve his original teachings and teach only those; some want to stay up-to-date and only teach his most recent versions; some want to be careful about “following the book”, which was typically written at some intermediate stage–neither the original nor the most current; some are creative like Michael and introduce/teach different things. What you get with different instructors is really a craps shoot. Nonetheless, usually each instructor has something valuable to offer. If you don’t resonate with one instructor, there are plenty more to choose from.
Since I just recently spoke about Fusion 1 in a thread below on this same page, I’ll defer you to that thread for additional info:October 20, 2013 at 8:48 pm #41375
Thanks StevenOctober 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm #41377
The only thing I have to add to this topic is that Mantak buys my kan & Li courses and listens to them….just as he began noticing when I taught morning warmups at his seminars that adding targeted qigong methods was vastly popular and more effective than mental-guided meditations. So my methods have been appearing throughout the Healing Tao system – achieving my goal of creating synergy between Mantak and myself.
Expect to see my Wudang Orbit method adopted into the UHT system shortly. Primordial Qigong/Tai Chi has already been adopted for certification credit.
-MichaelOctober 25, 2013 at 3:17 am #41379
cool, Thanks for your response Michael. I hope to make it to one or more retreats next summer.
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