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Hey Pietro –
>>We like to keep things a bit edgy. You know, just not to fall asleep at the steering wheel. ;)<< Ok then. As long as you're sure all this kerfuffle doesn't actually *constitute* falling asleep at the steering wheel... best NN
Generally, in the morning I do a few stretching exercizes along with a few simple qigong movements just to get the kinks out and the chi flowing. Recently, I saw an article by K. Cohen in an old Yoga Journal. In the article, he laid out a series of 8 or so qigong movements, two of which I do in my little stretching routine. The thing that caught my eye is Cohen’s recommendation that the person engaging in his routine not eat for a half hour after doing the exercizes. Since I only do two of the movements from his routine, I don’t think this advice applies to me, but I am curious why he thinks it is a necessity. The thing that attracted me to Taoist stuff is that it doesn’t seem to create a big divide between regular activity and spirtual practices. Chi is seen as a natural, unavoidable aspect of living that a practioner can integrate so that the chi is flowing properly no matter what activity one is engaged in. So what is the reasoning behind waiting so long to eat after a simple set of qigong movements? My life is busy enough without trying to find another half hour between qigong exercizes and eating a meal. Thanks, people.
According to you, they are enough.
What if someone wants to go deeper than that? The methods are available for those who do.
All Dao alchemy practices begin and end with the inner smile, it is just how we deal with those intermediate parts such as the five virtues in heaven, earth and man that will allow us to connect more deeply IF WE WANT TO.
How about honest and authoritative lectures? If michael were to put all the lectures from his meditation courses into book form, it would be 500 pages or more. Not that quantity means anything, but Max, maybe you are stepping on thin ice?
And why is it that everytime I bring up a worthwile subject to be discussed, like texts, you evade or sidestep the issue? And what other inner currents are there that you mentioned since we are on the subject? You conveniently ignore pertinent points that you were instrumental in raising.
Thge last time we had a discussion on texts, specifically on the Nei Yeh, you could not back up your claims that the Nei Yeh encouraged emptiness meditation only, but also included Qi circulation exercises, and the cultivation of inner virtues (not by outward acts of “doing good” to get merit points).
And just what is the benefit in your view of gaining merit, how do you gain it,and who recognizes it?
Is gaining merit the same as cultivating inner virtue qualities from a zen perspective?
“After all, Nan has access to resources that not even avalable in modern Chinese.”
So on this subject, does Nan have access to the Daoist alchemy seclusion schools or only texts? This is the difference between interpreting words, and a living tradition.
One Cloud searched for thirty years, according to what we are told, in Daoist monasteries before being told that he would not progress more until he went to the mountains to find an inner alchemy teacher from one of the seclusion schools.
hey Max, we had this discussion before…but again. My inner fear for silent meditation was caused because of silent meditation and its effect which caused deep fear. thanks to inner alchemy I was able to overcome that fear and I am able to sit in silence again without fear. Both are justified. Like yin and yang, they are different yet together they serve the whole.
[i] “If you meditate correctly, all the activations and channel openings will happen on its own. N-a-t-u-r-a-l-l-y. Emptiness meditation is a very good way to do it.” [/i]
Rather than trying to fuel the discussion any further, I’d just like to point out that we’re using words to describe “wordless” things. Words are very imprecise, blunt tools (albeit with infinite usefulness in certain situations). Words often control us far more than we consciously realise.
An example is the use of the word “naturally”. As NN mentioned it earlier, I’ll refer back to NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) – a major part of NLP is the study of language (in all its different guises) and how it affects out “neurology” (or body/mind, behaviour, thinking etc.)
The word “naturally” is quite a dangerous presupposition, it implies that whatever the word refers to is ‘natural’ (btw who gets to decide whether something is natural or not?). This word (along with many others) is often used in sales pitches: Naturally enhance your charisma, naturally improve your health etc.
The reason it is used so often is because it often turns off a person’s judgmental attitude. “Well I could take these pills to make my muscles grow, because they ‘naturally’ increase your body’s muscle production – so that’s ok then – since it’s natural”. Other words that work in a similar way are: Correctly, Simply, Easily, Effortlessly etc.
I’m not trying to discredit language or certain words haha, just notice what effects they create – and remember words are just marks on a page/pixels on a screen/sounds/internal dialogue 😉
Nei Yenh can not be understood by the mind only. And so the discussion, just like the last time, cannot happen.
And just what is the benefit in your view of gaining merit, how do you gain it,and who recognizes it?
After practicing higher alchemical practices for so long, why do you still have these questions? It’s very clear what you are trying to accomplish…Instead of feeding more food for your hyperactive mind, I would recommend the same thing that I apply to myself every day- clear your mind, relax your body, let your breath slow down, sit down and meditate.
Maybe my mind is too fast for your inability to have a real discussion.
If I want your recommendations I will ask for them.
I would recommend to you to try and make peace with your inner vital organ shen, particularly the ones that are feeding your inflated mental body, and are making unsubstantiated claims.
Why should we believe you anyway if you can’t answer any of the questions that are asked you?
Just for your information, I meditate everyday also, that is why I have the discernment to see through your grandiose statements.
The nei yeh is all about meditation that can be understood by experience only.
It is clear what I am trying to accomplish, and I am not afraid to say it:
I am unveiling the fact that you are making grandiose unsubstantiated claims that you cannot back up even with texts on meditation.
Of course the real evidence lies in the result of the meditation. Maybe you can explain to me why you and your buddies have been spamming and dissing this site in a methodical fashion for quite some time? Have some bones to pick with folks here?
And what about character assassination? It seems that you relied on that when everything else failed.
Now maybe you can explain how character assassination fits into gaining merit by doing good deeds? Maybe the zen method is all about a non-judgmental attitude towards good and evil of this reality because its all about suffering, but then you were making judgements too, so that couldn’t be it. I’ll keep the subject on a low cook, and maybe the real answer will come out over time.
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