MIKE-IANTITY STRIKES BACK: reply to Ribo-tzu

reposted: HARD QUESTIONS

“I don’t ever look back and think, God, I wish I’d had that baby….
Even if there is a God, I highly doubt he wants everybody to go through with their pregnancies.”

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Those who make the choice to use abortion as a contraceptive “should be applauded for making a smart and sustainable decision”….

What with 7.3 billion people on the planet!
(according to the new Playboy published essay…)

She may even profess 3, with something like 1 in 3 women participating before the “smart” age of 45!

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http://www.playboy.com/articles/my-choice-chelsea-handler

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/important-chelsea-handler-opened-having-120931037.html

Chelsea Handler Says God Supports Abortion in ‘Playboy’ Essay

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/maggie-mckneely/2016/06/28/chelsea-handler-says-god-supports-abortion-playboy-essay

I’m massively looking forward to Michael’s book(s) on Primordial, but suspect they will emerge in their own good time!!! As Michael wrote in 2014

I’ve been talking about my forthcoming book on Primordial Qigong/Tai Chi for several years! It has now become two books, there was too much deep information on Tao Cosmology and new insights into how apply it to daily life. Amazing testimonials from all around the world. This meant I had to rewrite Book 1, soon ready to be released.

…the next step was carried out in a film studio-I learned to talk and think backward on all levels-
-WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS, The Soft Machine

Un ange furieux fond du ciel comme un aigle,
Du mécréant saisit à plein poing les cheveux,
Et dit, le secouant : ” Tu connaîtras la règle !
(Car je suis ton bon Ange, entends-tu ?) Je le veux !
Et l’Ange, châtiant autant, ma foi ! qu’il aime,
De ses poings de géant torture l’anathème ;
Mais le damné répond toujours : ” Je ne veux pas !”
-CHARLES BAUDELAIRE, Le Rebelle

Und stiftete er Klöster und schriebe über die Thür:
„der Weg zum Heiligen”, — ich spräche doch: wozu!
es ist eine neue Narrheit!
Er stiftete sich selber ein Zucht- und Flucht]
wohl bekomm’sl Aber ich glaube nicht daran.
In der Einsamkeit wächst, was Einer in sie bringt,
auch das innere Vieh. Solchergestalt widerrath sich
Vielen die Einsamkeit.
Gab es Schmutzigeres bisher auf Erden als WüstenHeilige?
Uni die herum war nicht nur der I 1 los, — sondern auch das Schwein.
-FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE, Also Sprach Zarathustra

… your own cosmology crafted from Tim Leary, Islam and…

Actually I think also that one cannot too seriously regard Burroughs being some kind of immortal, but in his narratives reincarnation is actually very important element.

…I’ve evolved over decades of deep study, and more importantly, EXPERIENCE…

In my opinion Castanedian recapitulation is the most important practice to start with, because how ever mild withdrawal it offers; it’s the only way to learn to systemically reflect on one’s own experiences.

Aspect also of Burrough’s methods.

Sorry for my broken English.

HOWDY

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-cannabinoids-plaque-forming-alzheimer-proteins-brain.html

June 29, 2016

Salk Institute scientists have found preliminary evidence that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other compounds found in marijuana can promote the cellular removal of amyloid beta, a toxic protein associated with Alzheimer’s disease.
While these exploratory studies were conducted in neurons grown in the laboratory, they may offer insight into the role of inflammation in Alzheimer’s disease and could provide clues to developing novel therapeutics for the disorder.
“Although other studies have offered evidence that cannabinoids might be neuroprotective against the symptoms of Alzheimer’s, we believe our study is the first to demonstrate that cannabinoids affect both inflammation and amyloid beta accumulation in nerve cells,” says Salk Professor David Schubert, the senior author of the paper.
Alzheimer’s disease is a progressive brain disorder that leads to memory loss and can seriously impair a person’s ability to carry out daily tasks. It affects more than five million Americans according to the National Institutes of Health, and is a leading cause of death. It is also the most common cause of dementia and its incidence is expected to triple during the next 50 years.
It has long been known that amyloid beta accumulates within the nerve cells of the aging brain well before the appearance of Alzheimer’s disease symptoms and plaques. Amyloid beta is a major component of the plaque deposits that are a hallmark of the disease. But the precise role of amyloid beta and the plaques it forms in the disease process remains unclear.
In a manuscript published in June 2016’s Aging and Mechanisms of Disease, Salk team studied nerve cells altered to produce high levels of amyloid beta to mimic aspects of Alzheimer’s disease.
The researchers found that high levels of amyloid beta were associated with cellular inflammation and higher rates of neuron death. They demonstrated that exposing the cells to THC reduced amyloid beta protein levels and eliminated the inflammatory response from the nerve cells caused by the protein, thereby allowing the nerve cells to survive.
“Inflammation within the brain is a major component of the damage associated with Alzheimer’s disease, but it has always been assumed that this response was coming from immune-like cells in the brain, not the nerve cells themselves,” says Antonio Currais, a postdoctoral researcher in Schubert’s laboratory and first author of the paper. “When we were able to identify the molecular basis of the inflammatory response to amyloid beta, it became clear that THC-like compounds that the nerve cells make themselves may be involved in protecting the cells from dying.”
Brain cells have switches known as receptors that can be activated by endocannabinoids, a class of lipid molecules made by the body that are used for intercellular signaling in the brain. The psychoactive effects of marijuana are caused by THC, a molecule similar in activity to endocannabinoids that can activate the same receptors. Physical activity results in the production of endocannabinoids and some studies have shown that exercise may slow the progression of Alzheimer’s disease.
Schubert emphasized that his team’s findings were conducted in exploratory laboratory models, and that the use of THC-like compounds as a therapy would need to be tested in clinical trials.
In separate but related research, his lab found an Alzheimer’s drug candidate called J147 that also removes amyloid beta from nerve cells and reduces the inflammatory response in both nerve cells and the brain. It was the study of J147 that led the scientists to discover that endocannabinoids are involved in the removal of amyloid beta and the reduction of inflammation.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-cannabinoids-plaque-forming-alzheimer-protei

>>>Of course the children’s personalities did not choose to die.
>>>Their souls chose it, as the body-mind is created by the soul.
>>>And the souls take orders from their oversouls,
>>>who are orchestrating things.

This is complete nonsense. It doesn’t even make sense, that somehow they’d all agree to die simultaneously, and somehow have the outside physical reality cognition to choose to be in the same place at the same time. And for why? What purpose? There are almost 8 billion people on the planet. Are we really to believe that there was some orchestration with 20 people (kids) so that some small fraction of the 300 million people in the US, plus some external to the US, will feel their heart’s touched by the loss? The whole idea is ridiculous to me.

There is no oversoul orchestrating anything here.
It’s not to say that oversouls don’t exist, because in my view they do (or at least one of them does, forgetting about the count) but they are not interfering and manipulating.

Those deaths were just a random tragedy.
It is human personality insistence on having “spiritual support” here, that demands a watchdog that to be influencing things. But there is no such thing, in my view.

>>>Steven’s Sy’s theory of randomness is standard
>>>materialistic science, and not believable –
>>>that humanity arose as a “random event” from
>>>a bunch of amino acids landing in a
>>>primordial ocean, hitchhiking on a meteor?

I never said that the creation of life was random. Something doesn’t arise spontaneously from nothing. But once life was created, it was left alone. There are no helicopter parents here tinkering around. I think the oversouls are plenty happy to let the human experiment and experience evolve without interference, and they are getting plenty of information as feedback upon death. But they are not actively helicopter parenting in the meantime. This idea of helicopter parenting and manipulation is an attachment to Christian beliefs of a personal God-head that cares about us individually and is guiding our lives on a day-to-day basis. But it is not reality in my view. From my perspective, it is more like sending the kids off to an amusement park for the day–ON THEIR OWN–and then asking for a report when they return at the end of the day. But meanwhile, the parents are not involved AT ALL.

It doesn’t mean that the oversouls don’t care. Instead, they care enough not to interfere with our experiences here. It’s the true love of the gift of freedom. To trust that we can handle it on our own, while here.

>>>(Steven was also mistaken in his description
>>>of One Cloud formula’s not getting beyond
>>>xin/heart-mind until Star Alchemy.
>>>All three levels of Kan and Li are soul work,
>>>far beyond the working of
>>>biological heart-mind). But a minor
>>>forgiveable error…:).

It’s not a mistake. I simply disagree with your assessment.

For instance, with Lesser, I do NOT believe that there was some soul tragedy of division into two separate male and female souls, the trauma of which we have to heal. (This is a story you tell in Lesser and/or Healing Love). To me, this is a borrowed belief from Christian Gnosticism.

We are who we are; end of story. The male/female body we inhabit, and emotion unique nuances due to gender, are an influence from the personality due to being in a biologically sexed body. But it has ZERO to do with the soul itself. Any work healing psycho-sexual issues, male/female issues, have to do with the gender aspect of the personality . . . something that is not at the soul level. We have sexual issues BECAUSE we are in a body, and both gender and sex drive, create sexual impulses. We wouldn’t have these, if we were soul only.

Similarly, I see the ancestral influences of Greater as just influences of who happened to be our parents and gave their bodies as vehicles for us to get in here. Our soul has nothing to do with our ancestors. The ancestors affect us vis-a-vis our personality heart-mind due to the dumb luck/unluck of which parents gave us the earth ticket. But their ticket has nothing to do with us, per se.

Similarly, collective shared experiences in society–common to all personalities–dictate and influence many behavior patterns, but they are quite independent of who-we-are on a core level. Being born under a certain astrology is again a matter of luck of the cards, not any commentary on our actual soul underneath.

So my comment was NOT a mistake, but is my genuine belief, backed up by my experience to date. It’s not until you get to Star Alchemy that you actually rise above the postnatal and start working on the core soul living in the prenatal. [excepting Inner Smile, which is about the soul radiating its acceptance to the personality] For me, I’ve felt a core difference here. I feel many confuse certain aspects of the personality–aspects that may be “tough” and deep”–but personality aspects nonetheless as aspects of who they are (i.e soul), rather than the fact that they are just deeper levels of personality.

So it’s not so much “a mistake”, as that I have a different view from yours on these aspects. And, as far as higher-level K&L goes, much is open to interpretation and personal experience.

>>>A random world is a meaningless world. I don’t buy it.
>>>Tao is about becoming captain of one’s destiny,
>>>the high level being immortality.

It is only meaningless if you sit on your butt, and don’t create.
I find it to actually be MORE meaningful if the oversouls give us complete freedom to create, without any higher-level tinkering or interference in our overall free will. Plus, I think they get more valuable information this way . . . knowing that it arose spontaneously and uniquely, rather than being caused into being by their manipulation.

Being completely without interference or manipulation, means being the COMPLETE “captain of one’s destiny” (as you say), with still the high-level being intelligent immortality.

Qi,
Steven

>>>To some extent, I understand what Michael Winn
>>>is saying here in a way I think you don’t…

I understand what Michael is saying on these issues. Believe me . . . I’ve taken more live hours of his coursework than just about everybody individually in existence, so I know what his perspective is. I just disagree with these aspects.

>>>In other words, he is saying that the
>>>”Over-Consciousness” of a person knows
>>>that disasters are going to happen,
>>>but that knowledge is lost in the
>>>subliminal and subconscious blockages
>>>of mind. These occur constantly.
>>>We are not aware of what we are..
>>>This is how the “dream” plane operates.

Of course, the oversouls can see different possible future timelines. They exist outside of time. But it doesn’t mean they are influencing physical reality of humans to cause one possibility or another. From my perspective, they stay out of it. If an individual person living on earth, is spiritually aware enough, they can also see some of these possibilities, and if a strong enough possibility–with strong enough awareness–precognition can occur. But most are not aware of these possibilities and are not acting–even on an unconscious soul level–of making a choice. Without any precognition, it is making choices without awareness of what might come. It’s like choosing lottery ticket numbers without any awareness of what the winning numbers are. However, unlike playing the Powerball, sometimes the free will choice leads to a person’s demise, and it has nothing to do with any knowledge of the outcome of this option. It’s just dumb bad luck.

>>>Michael has already slipped the willy here.
>>>”the body-mind is created by the soul…”

I don’t know if he believes this or not, or is promoting it.
But I personally don’t believe it.
From my perspective, the xin body-mind is quite independent of the soul. It is a separate team that joined with the ling soul upon incarnation. It’s the whole point of alchemy in my view to a) get the individual organ spirits in the xin to harmonize with each other, and b) allow them to be of service to the soul (in preparation for possibly having a more complete group of team awareness that wishes to continue on together after death)

S