May 9, 2006 at 6:00 am #13728
Fajin, I will reply on your question about immortal existance, it is a deep experience which I am not eager to tell, certainly not on an open forum like this but nevertheless it can be of help to others so…as well the synchronisity is so weird I share it.
I had an encounter with an immortal about 8 years ago during one of Michaels kan and li’s (no idea which one, but I think lesser). I will try to make it short.
During silent meditation I felt two hands on my shoulders and a body close to my back. The ‘body’ entered mine, so we were two yet one. At some point he asked if I wanted the power. I did not ask for anything, and I was very well aware of hungry ghosts who want exchange for something. So I was not eager to answer that question. He repeated three times, and I knew I had to take it or leave it. So I said ‘yes’. At that moment he penetrated me, he put his hands on my breasts, and to make short we had sex in a room full with other people. I was shocked, I looked around if anyone would notice something but they were all insight themselves.
He stayed in my body for the rest of the evening and channeled information. While in the room with Michael and two other men, he gave me advice, he painted my body with black symbols and he put a protection symbol in my thymus gland, which he gave to Michael as well. W(H)e healed the liver of the other man, he did not give anything to the third man because he was not ‘open’, was suspicious and got nothing out of it.
Michael asked questions and he replied, yet when Michael asked questions to check out, I freaked because I felt he was checking things, it made my little me very unsecure.
It took a full year to recover from that experience, physically, emotionally and spiritually, I surely had to be crazy, I surely had made this up, it could not be, it could not exist, I was struggling with this, until I stopped struggling and left the whole experience for what it was, put it out of my thoughts to survive.
Till yesterday, while having sex with my partner, the immortal ‘message’ became so clear. His penetration became so obvious and the whole puzzle fell into place. My body completely opened up, concepts of guilt and shame (that is inprinted in every woman on this planet thanks to the collective field we all share) released. After sex I was so deep inside myself, I meditated, I slept for hours, and today my body feels like I wept days on end, my muscles are very tired, but the connection between my sexual center and my heart is opening as well, the central channel is opening, the symbol on my chest is activated, which took about 8 years for me to accept it.
I am very very sure that the immortal gave me a very important message and lesson, he told me then that I was his wife once and that he is supporting me. His name is Lu Ching.
I will answer if you have any more questions.May 9, 2006 at 8:57 am #13729
thanks for sharing! it moved me.
shabdMay 9, 2006 at 8:04 pm #13731
Your story was very interesting, yet not surprising. I would expect this to happen to advanced practitioners such as yourself, Singing Ocean, etc. Do you know what those black symbols were that he pained inside you? That intrigues me. And how did these black symbols look like or feel like along with this protection on your thymus gland?
My questions pertain more towards knowledge than interest. I would be very grateful if you could go a bit more in detail with what it is that he did exactly with these black symbols. And what do you think activated his presence, was it due to the fact that your shen got built up to a higher level? Like when upper dantian gets built up, all sorts of siddhis (powers) can occur like telepathy and such.
Thank you Wendy for the openess,
your experiences are wonderful to hear,
FajinMay 10, 2006 at 4:38 am #13733
Wendy, I really like that you shared your story here. It’s a terrific healing experience and whether it was an immortal or not doesn’t really matter. You healed, and that’s what does.
I would like to offer answers to Max’s questions and would enjoy hearing yours too.
“1. Why would an ‘Immortal’ ask you if you wanted power?”
What she said, Max, was: “THE power”. That sounds different to me. Perhaps, the power she hadn’t been able to access or to allow herself to have before.
“Better yet, have you ever heard any even slightly realized being talked about gaining power or anything related to getting power? Did Lao Tzu or any other enlightened being talk about it?”
Not as a central focus, but all have been absorbed in attuning to and embodying the source which gives them/us the power to live wholesomely. Power is a necessity.
“2. Why would he chose to have sex with you instead of using much better and more effective ways to help you? Why would he even consider sex as an option?”
I hear judgment in this (and your next question). Perhaps “sex” was simply what she needed at the time. And how do you know that it somehow wasn’t a joint decision and not just “his”?
“3. Why did he paint your energy body and the thymus gland with a ‘protective’ symbol? A protection from what? Why would he consider using this low form based method at his high level of development?”
Also because that may have been what she could use at the time to know that healing was taking place. How do you know the parts “he” was talking with in her (and the issues she mentioned she was freed from) didn’t need that kind of interaction at the time?
“Just some of my thoughs on this- you know i love you like a sister ;)”
You sound a little devilish here? Are you playing devil’s advocate?
“When beings of that level come, there should be no doubt in the quality of their energy and the methods they use. There shouldn’t be ‘I wonder if he is a hungry ghost’ or any questions of that sort.”
Should is an idea in one’s head and has little to do with how things are. Sometimes, and I know I’ve experienced this, something very real and valuable is going on and I have doubts come up because of the state I’m in at the time and it takes a deeper part of me than normal to get me all the way through. It happens the way it happens. In the end, the proof is in the (rice) pudding.
“And they wouldn’t use low level methods like sex or symbols/seals(?) to to help you. More like someone that didn’t completely let go of their inner desires for power and still in the realm of form. What they say and their ability to heal don’t matter here much.”
From what Wendy said, she didn’t lose anything to that being. That would be the mark of a lower being to me. Taking. And a bad after-effect. Also, she said that a man’s liver got healed. That sounds good to me.
I wondered as I read your story, Wendy, if it could have been the masculine part of you seeking to make relationship with(in) you. You did say it happened in a Kan and Li workshop. That explanation sounds plausible to me. That would be one way for you to get your power back.
Whoever “he” was, by uniting as you did and allowing the process to take place inside you you got through some very old important larger-than-just-yourself issues and seem to have alchemized your life. Brava! I feel grateful for the effect it must have had on “the Field.”
AlexanderMay 10, 2006 at 9:25 am #13735
Max, dear Max, I was sooo very immature at that time, this was my first encounter with this type of energy, what did I know? How could I know? I had heard of immortals, ghosts, from books… mental concepts. I was far from an advanced practioner, still very far Fajin.
Why it was about sex Max, isn’t that the most empowering yet the most misunderstood alchemy!? There are many deep issues with sexuality, and ‘he’ offered me the very best lesson I could get, although I was not ready at that time to understand the WHOLE message, it was the starting point for my quest to heal those deep issues, and still is. And even IF he was low astral he did me a big favor.
And whether it was a part of me like Alexander suggests or whether it was an immortal or a ghost, I don’t care- any more. Yet another senior instructor has seen ‘him’.
I hardly spoke about my encounters with anybody because I don’t KNOW.
It is the lesson hidden inside that makes it worth for me personally.
I did felt very alone with it, another teacher-friend who I told it to was very critical, I could even say jealous, and denied the whole experience, which was a very painful experience. Beside emailing with Michael there was nobody on this planet to share it with. So I had to deal with it myself and only myself, which made me stronger after time.
Like Alexander said it was indeed about my own power, yet I was thinking at that moment of his question, he would offer me ‘power’ with a magic stick. And he was WISE to ASK me if I wanted it, because I had a CHOICE and it took courage to make that choice. Well, you could say his penis was his magic stick and I made the choice to accept that power, increasing my own power, using his penis>male energy to get me there. I believe I made the reason clear in other postings about the male-female empowering.
You have no idea how profound his offer was. That is why I am so clear about man completing woman.
That same courage to accept my power would help me along my alchemical pathway, which brought me even much deeper/further in contact with ‘others’, as you know Max.
Although you still believe I am possessed by aliens and reptiles. You met me in a period when I was in absolute struggle with all this, I was in struggle with my marriage, I was in struggle with myself, I was looking for handles to integrate all these experiences. You saw me as a possessed freak while I was in deep struggle to digest it. Every time you offered me ‘good advice’ but you did not gave yourself as a friend. You were afraid to open your heart, you feared me, you feared my alien or reptile mates would eat you… 🙂 And there is no blame from my part, I hardly can expect that anyone could understand what I was going through, although I hoped for support, for real friendship but I believe ‘Friendship’ is not part of my human existance, other than my partner I don’t have real friends. That is something that makes me sad but as well it is part of my alchemical path. You speak with the love like a brother, so it is.
About the signs on my body: he painted them with great affection with a pencil and black ink, a simple chinese looking symbol, while the symbol in my chest was more complicated and gold, which he did not paint but transmitted by putting his hand on the thymus gland. I never asked. He said time will reveal the sign. I think that he protected me for things ahead, if I look back I understand why. My other encounters were so mind dazzling that I absolutely needed protection, in order not to loose my sanity. And who knows what lies ahead.May 10, 2006 at 9:43 am #13737
Very nice Wendy, I have something for Max.
>>you feared my alien or reptile mates would eat you<<
*If that is truly what you think, this is utterly rediculuos. Where do you get your information from about Reptilians, Max? They have been in the universe longer than humans and are more evolved than us in certain regards. When I said we can't know much about them, I meant that as a race they are quite elusive and keep to themselves so that even other alien races don't know much about them, nevermind Earth humans.
The sect on Earth has evil intentions but don't make false claims about them as a race. Your knowledge of them is futile as is mine. I have recovered some memories of it, but know little of their nature. There is no way you can know much about them, believe me.
FajinMay 10, 2006 at 2:44 pm #13739
How beautiful this further description of your healing is and how magnificent of you to accomplish it!
“You have no idea how profound his offer was. That is why I am so clear about man completing woman.”
I think this is a very important realization for “woman” to grasp. It is true in the reverse as well. With so much animosity having developed between the sexes over the milleniums an experience and realization like this one really resolves much bad energy for humans as a group and facilitates everyone’s alchemical completion.
Wendy (or others): Why do you think there are no other women speaking on this forum? I would love to have more interaction between the two polarities.
Blessings, AlexanderMay 10, 2006 at 4:07 pm #13741
And he was WISE to ASK me if I wanted it, because I had a CHOICE and it took courage to make that choice.
He HAD to ask you so as to avoid karmic punishment for meddling. There is a police force of sorts in the universe…
Furthermore, rather then blaming Max for not opening up, it would better serve you to examine why you couldn’t inspire him to open up.
Not that you should be transferring blame or responsibility or anything like that onto yourself–it would just be more productive if you took a different view.
I was having this conversation with a girl the other day: She wanted to know how to get/keep a man. She mentioned a Cosmo magazine sex article. I told her all magazine articles and books on sex/relationships are wrong. If you want to get/keep a man learn to love sucking cock and swallowing and learn to love anal sex. She flipped out so I said to her, “Do you know why you are so upset with this truth? It is because you haven’t found a man who inspires you to do so. You haven’t found a man worthy to fuck your ass.”
So is the problem that there aren’t enough worthy men? Well, there aren’t enough worthy men just like there aren’t enough attractive women. If a woman is attractive she has no problem getting the worthy men and consequently no problem surrendering to him.
So if a woman isn’t attractive she has no chance with the worthy men. If a man doesn’t have alpha status he no chance with the attractive women.
The talk that spews out of the mouths of humans goes round and round attempting to circumnavigate these truths because the mind cannot settle on it. Is the mind incapable of doing so?
Not at all.
The settle on the truth is go face-to-face with the horror of life. Life is suffering with no resolution save death and even that is questionable. This is the essence of Buddhism. It is what gives rise to compassion, and is the driving force behind performing meritorious deeds.
It is the essence of Taoism as well, even if Michaelsays otherwise…
-PlatoMay 10, 2006 at 8:32 pm #13743
When you say things with a view to shock – the intent of your point will be lost in the offensive manner of its transmission.
I get the gist of what you are trying to say but couldn’t you have found a better way to say it? When you make certain types of comments, you shouldn’t be surprised by a “negative” or “flipped out” reaction.
EmelgeeMay 10, 2006 at 8:42 pm #13745
I do not believe that my intent is lost.
I want people to have the negative reaction–the negative reaction IS the demon I wish to draw out into the open. If I was talking to normal people this would be a bad idea but these are cultivators right?May 10, 2006 at 9:11 pm #13747
Ahhh – the ego needing someone else’s reaction to feel more enlightened, perhaps? The puppeteer pulling other people’s strings…but, only for their own good, am I right?!
Plato – I will respect anything anyone says but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with the method in which it is conveyed.
By using the method you do, you essentially ensure that the conversation will go no further because people will walk away from you and, I can guarantee, they won’t be thinking “Gee, am I glad he got that negative reaction from me. I really needed someone else to point that out to me”. They will be thinking you are a rude git and they wll ignore all else you have said and will say from thereon in.
EmelgeeMay 11, 2006 at 4:41 am #13749
I think the essence of Wendy’s experience is being ignored in favor of taking an opportunity to argue and demean. She has stated clearly that what happened was good for her-
“My body completely opened up, concepts of guilt and shame (that is inprinted in every woman on this planet thanks to the collective field we all share) released. After sex I was so deep inside myself, I meditated, I slept for hours, and today my body feels like I wept days on end, my muscles are very tired, but the connection between my sexual center and my heart is opening as well, the central channel is opening, the symbol on my chest is activated, which took about 8 years for me to accept it.”
Your responses, Plato and Max, feel abrasive and trust deficient to me and make my heart hurt.
-AlexanderMay 11, 2006 at 5:06 am #13751
Thank you Max for your kind reply. What I didn’t pointed out was the fact that you were a FIRST class gentleman and you were a great support. I still cherish it.
You are not entirly fair about the interaction we had, it was surely not one way but I will leave the details out of this reply. So don’t pretend to be holy while you were just very human.
About the other non human interactions, it is part of my path, you can judge it long after I am death and burried but it gave too much insights and wisdom to just throw it away. These interactions are meant to integrate. All these experiences has made me more human, more integrated and more alive than ever.
It seems that Plato and probably you see life as hell on earth, for me it is heaven, and if it took all those experiences to get there, I am very glad I had them.
Yesterday during meditation I heard within myself: I am an ALCHEMIST, I gather, cook, eat and digest…and make all the digested ingredients – experiences into something worth living for.
You choose Buddhism, I choose Alchemy, I respect your path and hope you get what you dream of, same for me.
Still if I ever come to NY I hope you take me out for dinner, a walk on the beach and the movie (everytime I watch that movie I smile and think of NY and Max)
So my very dear beloved brother, lets rock this planet, I have to run now to teach 60 – 15 and 16 year old ‘to touch each other’, with love and respect.May 11, 2006 at 9:56 am #13753
Don’t bother to address any reply to me.
I am not going to read another word you write. Ever.
I can bring my own demons out, thank you.
I simply don’t want to be reminded that girls are out there being abused by your hostility and immaturity, masquerading as “provocative wisdom.” Don’t they go through enough?
What did your mother do to you? Why do still hate women so much? Even after all your time with Bodri and Nan? Why can you never see them other than as inferiors or adversaries?
Until you resolve this your cultivation won’t even begin.
Go away. Grow up. Your own cleverness is insulating you against ever being humble enough to realise you are completely messed up about this.
Good luck.May 11, 2006 at 10:27 am #13755
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