July 4, 2006 at 7:16 pm #15390
Speaking from Wudang. Just wanted some quick words before I depart again.
First, I would like to thank Bagua. Yes, Chan and Dao are sun and moon for me too!
Thank you for leading me towards this friend.
And one for Michael.
Didn’t know you had contact with Wudang Taoist Association. I will be looking forward to meeting with you in 2008 in person!
Best wishes to all,
FajinJuly 9, 2006 at 8:45 am #15391
I’m sure you will have fun revisiting your old stomping grounds in wudang.
If you want to read a detailed analysis of Quanzhen daoists roots in chan, you can down load Louis Komjathy’s PhD thesis on Quanzhen Mysticism (costs $30. for 550 page text). Scholarly, but has interesting translation of quanzhen founder Wang Chongyang’s early writings and influences, which were syncretic. It was popular ata the time to synthesize confucian, buddhist, and daoist ideas. I bought it to get his translation of the Gold Pass and Jade Lock scripture.
http://www.daoistcenter.org/Contact.html and click on:
Cultivating Perfection: Mysticism and Self-Transformation in Early Quanzhen Daoism. By Louis Komjathy.
Komjathy notes that Wang Chongyang would tell the lay public at lectures to do simple chan type practices of sitting in stillness and clarity (orginally taken from Daoists in Tang dynasty). But to his disciples he taught rigorous and complex Daoist alchemical trnasformational methods. Over 30 Daoist alchemical methods are mentioned in the Jade Lock text, which was conversations recorded between him and his early quanzhen disciples.
All of the Wudang Daoists are quanzhen sect, as far as I could see. But some of them may have derived their neidan practices from different sources, such as emei shan. And let’s not forget than Chang San Feng was NOT a quanzhen daoist….
Let us know if you discover anything interesting…..:)
Love, qi, blessings,
MichaelJuly 9, 2006 at 11:04 pm #15393
Ermei has a chan/zen lineage, below is a link to 800 year lineage of this branch of ermei. Oh I do love when Chan and Qi Gong/Tao are integrated. Lets not mistake the religious or organization of chan and the experience of it.
baguaJuly 10, 2006 at 1:25 am #15395
I’ve met Fu,
I liked him personally, but his packagers I find quite off-putting and extravgant in their claims about their “Grandmaster “(“father of qigong medicine” – please!).
He tried to used his methods of generating mass audiences in the USA that were commony used in the 80’s in china – and failed. He toured the USA giving away free workshops, hoping to build a following that would keep expanding and payoff on the backend. Hasn’t happened, from what I’ve seen.
He advetised a Taoist workshop near Asheville some years back, and I went. I walked into the room and could tell immediately he was Buddhist, altho that was never stated. All the chi came from his head down. The Taoist chi generally rises from the earth up. His qigong is all taoist and largely medical , however, and no problem there, I support his efforts and wish him well. He has a few wierd numbers, like using an acupuncture doll and sticking needles in its to project chi to other people, kind of a buddhist medical voodoo….
I think you’ll get more out of Louis Komjathy’s PhD. thesis….
michaelJuly 11, 2006 at 11:20 am #15397
The alchemy taught at Wudangshan where I am is derived from Zhang, Sanfeng. I am going to begin practicing it soon and will post updates on my experiences next year so you guys can get a general overview on it.
Chang Sanfeng believed that Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism all head towards the same goal but take different routes, which is what I have accepted as well.
The link is at the bottom. Just check the sub-heading, “Practical Process of Damo Qigong Practice”.
I will get around to your alchemy when I get back, but the “spinning pearl” method is a pretty good one. 🙂 I guess steaming pearls, golden elixers, and stillness blended into one harmonious whole works for me. Wonder what the result will be!!!
Thanks for the Quanzhen link, will look into it.
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