April 24, 2005 at 2:17 am #4912
Through the process of alchemy, we are refining the Jing, Qi and Shen.
Is it refining the Jing into Qi, into Shen, or refining the Yin/Yang Jing, Yin/Yang Qi and Yin/Yang Shen into
I was thinking today it is about creating the Yuan Jing, Qi and Shen from the polarized yin/yang jing, qi and shen.April 24, 2005 at 2:36 am #4913
I was really thinking about refining the Jing: is it about refining it into Qi and Shen or into Yuan Jing? Because the Source contains Jing, Qi and Shen, But Jing/water element is number one in both the He Tu and the Lo Shu according to most scholars.
The view that the jing should be refined out of material existence into qi and shen seems to follow the subconscious line of thought that Jing/material existence is bad. Unless of course one takes the view that it is a two way street and that it returns to the source and is birthed back out again, which is also true.April 24, 2005 at 12:09 pm #4915
Looking at Alchemy from a certain dimension, what it
really comes down to is generating the SPIRIT BODY!
All the Refining and Transfomation goes into the production
of this aspect of your self, so you can move through the subtle
planes with more physical essence!
That is the Key, extracting the solidity of the physical body
and transmuting it to the Spiritual Body.
All these aspects, Original Body, Original Energy, and Original
Intelligence. They are just side apsects of cultivating the
Its like all these things become suppressed by resistance created
from influences, impressions, Fear, and a whole slew of other
things in the REALM OF ILLUSIONS!
This is the major obstacle we face in pursuing the spiritual path!
See using these chinese terms is just a way of expressing the
POETRY of the spiritual experience.
Actually, it seems as if everybody is developing the Spirit Body
in a progressive manner. Meditation just gives you a way
to due it QUICKER!
So you can pursue the Mother of the World!
She is waiting for you…
To be clear, dont get bogged down in all this terminology that really
just confuses people more than it helps.
Some people like to use it to just sound like they know something about
the Alchemical process, when in fact they are just missing the
Supernatural(aka healing, rejuvenated body, seeing the future, and so on) powers and all that stuff are just a by product of the spirit
body beginning to function in this plane.
The whole process is to FIRST purify the physical body through many different methods.
Then work to solidifying the spirit body Now.
Then journeying back to the MOTHER!
You see what people like to due is just FANCY it up and all because
they want to make money off the system.
Its pretty pathetic!
This goes with any subject. The essential aspects can be taught to you
right from the beginning, but most people just like to HOARD over there
students so they can FEED off there energy and make a couple of bucks along the way.
Hey what ever your into!
But if you dont understand what I what I wrote here then you might as
well just GIVE UP MEDITATION and go dig a whole and put your head in it!
hahahahhaApril 24, 2005 at 1:45 pm #4917
I agree that too much talk doesn’t cook the rice (terminology can get in the way).
I also agree that meditation accelerates the process of spiritual development. My teacher has taught me this also.
I actually posted this observation because it was something I experienced yesterday, not just to get fancy with terminology, and think it is an important point.
I agree also that the first step is to purify the body through basic practices, but how do we dissolve the body? Is it through transmuting it completely into spirit with no physical substance? I think you said in one of your posts above that the spirit body can travel through the subtle planes with physical substance. That is really my point.
Except the physical is not exactly the jing, it is just a printout of the jing. the jing is not solid, hard physical matter, but is the closest source in frequency that produces physical matter.
We still need to keep the jing and refine it, it will never go away and turn completely into spirit but will become a refined substance on its own that is integrated with the others. It is by simultaneously refining the essence, refining the energetic and refining the spiritual, and then integrating them.
The immortal self is a unified substance of yuan jing, yuan qi and yuan shen because the Dao/Mother/source is the ORIGINAL source of neutral/yuan jing, qi and shen.
I guess we need a fourth term for the one unified, purified original substance. Or not worry about terms and experience it.April 24, 2005 at 2:04 pm #4919
I was not even refering to you using the flashy terms above.
But you in your own right associated yourself with this.
Now in this new posting your really just confuising the issue.
Hey, this is what you wanted, straight up talk. So I am giving to
you. No B.S.!
Show me JING! You talk like this something that we can prove.
As far as I know, nobody has ever really produced JING to be examined.
This is just more fancy talk that really means NOTHING.
Look the fact is this. You have a physical body.
You have a Energy body. You have a Spirit body.
I hate to break it to you, but Michael Winn has just confused the
issue more than Mantak did!
He has got everybody talking this lingo that he put together.
This will not bring you closer to the TRUTH!
Yuan JIng, Yuan CHi, And Yuan Shen, just means BODY MIND SPIRIT!
If you can integrate these three, you will be PURE SPIRIT!
You can Immaterialise at will!!!!
Then you can travel in the subtle planes with more physicality!
Playing and having FUN more Freely.
With actual will and feeling!
Refining Jing just means, transmuting body into spirit.
Spirit is the Essence of BODY! When you refine body you
Body transmutes into Spirit!April 24, 2005 at 3:07 pm #4921
this is very interesting. I appreciate your straight talk.
So it sounds like your method involves channeling the “supreme emptiness/source/mother/dao” in order to transmute body into spirit. Is this a method you learn in your system right at the beginning?
Are you saying that you can immaterialise at will only once you have achieved an integrated body, mind and spirit? Or is this something that you can do already from your practice?
What is the purpose of initiation, is there a vow of secrecy involved, or a transmission from a teacher?
Is there a lineage, teacher or person who you have learned this from or was this a spontaneous realization?April 24, 2005 at 3:38 pm #4923
How do you refine the body?April 24, 2005 at 7:30 pm #4925
I like your style, lets get down to bussiness stuffy…
Ok, on the initiation stuff, Yes I have been initiated by both
HUMAN and the Ever Present Intelligence(Will call it that for now).
Their is a Human lineage and there is a spiritual lineage!
YES, there is a VOW of Secrecy invovled. Now, there is different initiations at different Levels. This is very important as each stage offers something different.
Some things you cant learn right away. Because of KUNDALINI!
You would get to scared! I am not saying this to be like all
Bro Ho or something. Its the truth! Somethings will just Floor you.
The Dao is about WALKING THE PATH, you never know were its going to take you next? Eventually you realise its all inside YOU…
That is when you can Immaterialise!
Just remeber that the core of the system is Love.
This is what keeps it alive!
This I would say is a first good Initiation…April 24, 2005 at 7:34 pm #4927
….April 24, 2005 at 9:01 pm #4929
Your message sounds so simple,yet at the risk of sounding stupid could you please elaborate briefly on each of the 5 points.I’m relatively new to this but really want to learn more. Thanks for your patience.April 24, 2005 at 9:07 pm #4931
How does one get initiated?April 24, 2005 at 11:23 pm #4933
You have to meet with me in person.April 25, 2005 at 8:27 am #4935
When and where? I live in upstate NY.
Please give me a call so I can make arrangements.
Thanks, Guy Dawson 607-621-1618April 25, 2005 at 12:55 pm #4937
So, just out of curiosity, do you practice Bill Bodri’s methods of cultivation?
seven roads Spiritual Path
Meditations for Cancer and High Blood Pressure
Or is it some other system that you are talking about?
Why are there only men who practice this, or at least the ones who are vocal about it on this board?April 25, 2005 at 1:14 pm #4939
You are straight and to the Point.
Is there something you really see in what I say that interest you?
Explain to me first what you are really looking to learn.
I have to say, I am impressed by your enthusiasm!
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