January 12, 2007 at 2:13 pm #20422
This is an interesting dialogue some of you might want to read:
>Muslims hold that the message of Islam – submission to the will of the one God – is the same as the message preached by all the messengers sent by God to humanity since Adam. From an Islamic point of view, Islam is the oldest of the monotheistic religions because it represents both the original and the final revelation of God to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. Members of all sects of Islam believe that the Qur’an codifies the direct words of God.
>Islamic texts depict Judaism and Christianity as prophetic successor traditions to the teachings of Abraham. The Qur’an calls Jews and Christians “People of the Book,” and distinguishes them from polytheists. In order to reconcile discrepancies between the earlier prophets and the Qur’an, Muslims claim that Jews and Christians forgot or distorted the word of God after it was revealed to them. The majority of early Muslim scholars, and some modern ones, believe it was just distortion in interpretation of the Bible. However, others believe that there was also textual distortion, that Jews changed the Tawrat (Torah), and Christians the Injil (Gospels) by altering the meaning, form and placement of words in their respective holy texts.
> The fundamental concept in Islam is the Oneness of God or tawhīd: monotheism which is absolute, not relative or pluralistic. The Oneness of God is the first of Islam’s five pillars, expressed by the Shahadah (testification). By declaring the Shahadah, a Muslim attests to the belief that there are no gods but God.
> In Arabic, God is called Allāh. The word is etymologically connected to ʾilāh “deity”.Muslims consider Allāh to be the same deity as that worshipped by Christians and Jews, the God of Abraham. Allāh is also used by Arab speaking Christian and Jewish people to refer to God as they worship him. The usage of the definite article in Allah linguistically indicates the divine unity. Muslims reject the Christian doctrine concerning the trinity of God, seeing it as akin to polytheism.
> God is described in a sura of the Qu’ran as: “…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.”
> No Islamic visual images or depictions of God are meant to exist because such artistic depictions may lead to idolatry. Moreover, Muslims believe that God is incorporeal, making any two- or three- dimensional depictions impossible. Such aniconism can also be found in Jewish and some Christian theology. Instead, Muslims describe God by the names and attributes that he revealed to his creation. All but one sura of the Qur’an begins with the phrase “In the name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful”.
how can Islam be the oldest monothesitic religion when Abraham is the father of the Jews and the Jewish faith has been around longer than their faith?
Also, they must not believe in the Old Testament revelation given in Genesis, because God is used in the plural form. He said, “let us make man in our image after our likeness.” This doesn’t mean angels. IT means the trinity of the father, son, and Holy Spririt.”
“Well, technically speaking, this is because 1) Abraham was NOT an Israelite 2) Judaism is primarily the books of Moses and the successor prophets which came way after Abraham 3) many scholars think the earlier books of Genesis were actually written later and were translated from other religions in the Mediterranean from sources such as cuneiform to create a preface for the Books of Moses
Also, Abraham’s monotheism was linked to the Order of Melchizedek which is itself linked to earlier Egyptian and Sumerian religions.
So this is saying that Islam sees Judaism (probably rightly so) as a later offshoot of Abrahamic faith, keeping in mind that Abraham-Sarah are where the two systems diverge anyway. A good question is what to the Muslims think about the Exodus and invasions that followed..I have heard that many consider the Jews to be cursed as a result of it…
The Hebrew (the word h’ibiru is used in ancient Sumerian for tent dweller nomads) language uses the words EL for ruler-lord-god-sovereign, ELOAH for the feminine creative principles of this, and ELOHIM for plural rulers-lords-sovereigns
The Hebrew Bible’s earlier books, which many scholars agree were a piecemeal collection from other languages around the Mediterranean use the term ELOHIM as an extension of the ineffable YHVH, saying the ELOHIM were within Edin, that the Elohim created “the” Adam, and that the Elohim saw the Daughters of the Adam and took them as wives, conceiving children who become rulers-sovereigns”January 12, 2007 at 2:20 pm #20423
The christians need to nicely divide into two camps
1) Satanist-Setian War people who want profit and hate everyone
2) Jesus people who follow his teachings of God is Love, meekness, forgiveness beyond forgiveness, peace making, NO retaliation (turning the other cheek), doing good to counter evil, loving one’s enemy as one’s self because loving a friend isn’t challenging enough
Then we can nicely deem everyone who doesn’t follow those teachings as a Christian failure and suggest they look into hell and satanism
We can recall that the primary message of the new testament is GOD IS LOVE, love your enemy as yourself, do godd unto those who do evil etc
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