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May 1, 2005 at 1:32 am #5211mbanuParticipant
This post once again seems appropriate. I had re-posted it earlier, but it got deleted during a profanity watch.
May 1, 2005 at 3:23 am #5213Simon V.ParticipantI agree with Rainbow Bear in that we need to have a space with borders wherein basic behaviours of outright attack are considered to be not ok.
Where I don’t agree with sanctioning behaviour is where someone is not given a chance to play by the rules, where the punishment is too black and white and final–this is too insulting and limiting of wide open discussion.I definitely do not agree with attacking a teacher in his or her own territory, when that teacher is basically just presenting a functional system of practice. If you don’t like it, you can always practice something else; while in that person’s territory, it is basic etiquette to honour him or her–you might learn something that way that will augment your own mode of approaching things. If this seems old fashioned then I’m all for old fashioned. Spontaneous order in keeping with the dao is there when it’s there, and not when it’s not; we have to deal with the real situation, not with the philosophically ideal one.
But again, to the extent that someone is really just being an attacking blowhard who is always bringing things down to the level of the crotch and the fist, they should be sanctioned–not allowed to dominate/limit the discussion–because that is just plain unfair and limiting to wide open discussion from another direction. But then if they start to be willing to play by the rules, they can be allowed back into the fray; I don’t believe in the diabolical futility of holding grudges.
Simon
May 1, 2005 at 1:10 pm #5215MoonglowParticipantNothing to say …… I sometimes swear quite a bit at the universe when I am very angry … actually I quite scream it. For some reasons the use of profanity gives my anger more clout. More of a shock … to myself I guess. Profanity for one on one conversation is a bad habit to get into – this is my belief. Especially in disagreements or conversations where one person is trying to get the other to understand or notice their issues. If you get 2 people trying to “shock” the other the whole essence of what they are discussing or arguing seems to get lost. The issues seem to slide back to the old pre-adolescent days of who can hit or push the hardest is the better. Understanding is a much better way to go and I think that understanding comes with good communication. Profanity does not open the door to that. My opinion.
I have found that sometimes one will find what they need to travel on in the most unbelievable or surprising places. Sometimes it can just be a word or even poetry. I have worked with scientists most of my life and they may be good at the research they do but a lot of times their “life”, their understanding of it, their practise with Tao is no better or worse
than the fellow who empties their garbage cans at night. I don’t think that it is wise to say that people who write “light” words do nothing to encourage other’s journeys. That is probably a great misguided notion. And sometimes reading how so many are trying so hard to find the way and will subject themselves to many hours of uncomfortable pain to find it, and the anguish they feel at not “being there”. Maybe reading these things helps some to see. That these things are maybe helpful in some cases but maybe not so necessary in others. That maybe in our seeking we create such things for our minds to keep busy whilst our spirit becomes stronger. Maybe we need to experience the downfall before ourself will finally give it up and listen to our own wisdom. Maybe after seeking our enlightenment with many teachers who have befallen our trust and faith, maybe then we will finally be able to see that our enlightenment lies within our self. Where each of us lies in that journey is so individual. I just like it that finally this forum allows others to read everyone’s journeys and that there are now other seekers who post encouraging words instead of profanity and derugatory remarks to female kind and in fact other human kind on their excuse that earth must experience the dark as well as the white. And for some to further their journey they must truly go deep within the dark recesses of their souls and be the “dark”. To me, these are the ones who have given up the hope, who have taken the easy way and these are the ones who require the heart of all to help be guided back. There are limits and as with death, sometimes a choice is final, sometimes there is no more “what ifs”, sometimes it just becomes the “wrong way”. I watched my father die and saw his last breath leave his body and I felt the fear of death for just one millisecond, the feel of oh my god, I can’t go back … this is how strongly the soul wants to stay …. but then the passing over and acceptance was there. So quickly. But there is total finality of it all. Sometimes here on this earth we play with energy and beliefs as if they do not mean anything. But they mean great things. If you died today have you said all that you wanted to say, all that you wanted to feel and done all that you wanted to do. Have you lived you heart. And that doesn’t always mean having $ or travel, but in your heart, listen … have you done what makes the heart feel good.And sometimes we muck around in all of this energy work with innocence and ingnorance. Sometimes we turn the wrong way, sometimes we need help. Sometimes it can seem as if it is too late. Sometimes for some it may be. But that doesn’t mean that we should ever give up hope of helping ourselves or any one else. Not until that last breath leaves our body, and maybe not even after that. To think that even watching a bird fly cannot save ones soul is very ignorant. To think such things is minimizing what the creator has given every living thing on this planet. To have power is not such a bad thing but what your intention is once you have that power, that can be not so good. All of the exercises listed here and elsewhere do provide strengthening but I do believe that a pure heart is essential in development. Sometimes I think there are ones that forget that. However to attain pure heart is also very individual. Comes very karma, ancestors, maybe even curses over generations, maybe even vows taken or broken. Genetetics and culture. Many different recipes.
I just don’t believe in the black recipes and I don’t believe they need have a place. No matter what anyone else says. I cannot judge those who practise such but I do not go that way. And I just think it is a good thing that instead of being subjected to profanity and all such vulgar things this site also offers the opportunity to say mundance things of energy growth, that there is an openness to many things and many questions. And until people become comfortable with the fact that if they ask something someone else is not always going to “shoot them down” with “What are these people talking about, they know nothing, why can’t they have the balls to say what they mean right out, what are you self rightious, sacrminious, go F your mother”. You know these kinds of things that have been said on this forum before, they are very degrading, (degrading to the one who said them and the one who they are intended for – it is a double sword) they are very aggressive, they say to me that the person behind those words wants to be in power, that to me smells of a weakness in their nature which desperately requires attention to before they should travel to higher level. When people who are on this forum have the comfort to be able to say what they mean without having someone else totally tear their heart out for it that is when this forum will reach its peak in healing and knowledge. I just wish those people who figure that energetic power goes hand in hand with badassing and bad foul language open their own eyes and hearts to truth in themselves instead of calling everyone else down. I accept you as a person, as a human but I do not accept your language and I do not accept your narrowmindedness in the following of Tao and I will no longer accept any derugatory remarks on white light workers, good open hearts, or otherwise. Doesn’t mean I don’t love you all, just that I don’t agree with you. And it feels damn good that I can say that here … now.My growth now, my concentration is on listening to wisdom self and encouraging MY SELF to let go of its own mind and ego control. Damn hard that one is. Discerning can be difficult – I find that if one tries too hard it the input gets mixed up with other energies and own mind energies. Keeping the input clear can be hard enough but acting on the input is even more difficult. Keeping the iregularities out of practice, out of mind,….. having wisdom self lead with creator as guide, this is not so easy. Finding someone to help guide without their own manipulation is even more not so easy. If anyone has figured that one out let me know. It is difficult to contain oneself within such energetic bombarding as we find in our everyday life, difficult to contain what is self, accept the true energy while filtering out what is not truth and then still have the clarity on what to do with that while living your daily life. Damn it. The monks and nuns who live in monasteries and do this stuff, well I have to give them credit but how the heck does one do such things and live here in amongst family, job, neighbours, pets, responsiblities. I tell you, when one can figure this part out we will have the world by the “balls”. (no offense intended).
Well, it is Sunday, kind of a dreary day. Off to do laundry, see my mom, go for a walk and a little bit of business.
Thanks for everyone’s expressions of self. We are so lucky to be so different in all that we do. Can you imagine how boring it would be otherwise.
Rainbows!!!!
May 1, 2005 at 6:33 pm #5217MoonglowParticipantNot true,
Totally not true…
Just that it is easier to be cold than have compassion. No compassion, no heart, no heart …….. cold. cold – steel. Who the heck wants to hug a steel pillar.
To me, the “higher” sage belief of no compassion is a phase that one gets stuck in, because with compassion one is a little more likely to feel the others karma and we don’t want to get stuck in there do we? But the day I don’t feel compassion is the day I know for sure I have given up on the human race. I have seen what no compassion does to people and if I have to give up compassion, caring, open heart to be a “high sage” then you and all of the other masters can keep your power all to yourselves. I ain’t going there to be a dead fish.
Just my opinion of course but I truly feel strongly on this one.
Rainbowbear
May 1, 2005 at 6:37 pm #5219MoonglowParticipantand isn’t this the stuck in a rut wheel that we should all be working to get out of. Why do you all accept the rut and the cycle??
No creativity for white light and miracles? Why do what was done before? Did it work? If not try more white light. Perseverance rises above all.
May 1, 2005 at 6:39 pm #5221BeginnerParticipantI tried to read your thoughtful post but it would help if you broke it up into smaller paragraphs with some space. It is amazing how itchy I get when faced with a long paragraph on the screen. Just to let you know for the future…baba
May 1, 2005 at 6:41 pm #5223MoonglowParticipantSorry, this will be the last post for awhile … just doing some business on the computer and this one kind of gets me …
Why see the Tao as dark and sinister. You make it so.
Look up to the birds and watch as they fly against heaven’s palette,
Look to the earth to feel the beat and warmth of the mother’s heart,
Look inside you to see the Tao – beautiful and bright. Giving us every opportunity for every hope and abundance we could wish for … if we just let it.May 1, 2005 at 7:59 pm #5225spyrelxParticipantdrop your arrogance and maybe you will.
May 1, 2005 at 8:03 pm #5227spyrelxParticipantwell said
May 2, 2005 at 12:20 am #5229thelernerParticipantForget tao this or that. What you said is just common sense.
Peace
Michael
P.S. The healing tao stuff actually gets into some fairly sexual stuff, penis this, vagina that is actually somewhat par for the course. Our longest threads are often on sexual subjects. But like the first rule of learning a martial art, we need to begin and end w/ respect.
May 2, 2005 at 12:31 am #5231thelernerParticipantFor the truly enlightened, right now, I mean Right NOW is perfect. Perhaps for the suffering being in their mere presence can bring a sense of peace.
I think those of us somewhat under true enlightenment had better practice as much compassion as we can. Our thinking and actions create the mirror of our reality.
Peace
Michael
May 2, 2005 at 12:48 am #5233thelernerParticipantWendy, this isn’t about the word vagina. Nothingness, Danny, does indeed post some good things here. But sooner or later he seems to falls into a pit of negativity where he personally attacks people and writes dozens of nonsense posts a day, which totally disrupt the flow of conversation on the board.
In each cycle he has people like you and I(in the past), who him. People will ask him nicely to slow down, not curse at others or grapphiti post. He responds to this w/ pure spam of swearing, and threats.
I hope this time is different. Its not about respecting any individual its about respecting the communal aspects of this board.
Peace
Michael
May 2, 2005 at 6:34 am #5235wendyParticipantMichael W.asked me to join this board to comment some of these erruptions, which at start I refused because I indeed dislike this kind of childess conversations and I didn’t wanted to become involved in a battle which isn’t mine at all.
I emailed him this about another poster:
“again and again you offer him a change to speak up, you
yourself
keep this going on, as you use his name and speak to him
directly.”But is pretty easy to stand along the side and have comment on things. So I decided to join this board and find out myself.
I never said in my postings that it is all fine and nice. I just told what my strategy is in my personal life and if it is appliable fine, if not then change of strategy. Thanks to our flexibility we are still surviving on this planet. Having compassion doesn’t mean you have this flower power smile on your face.
If people cross my border deliberate trying to hurt they meet my silence.
Anyway
At least I have a better understanding why Michael W.is doing these things.Another quote from my email to Michael W.:
“I think it is just a female thing to strive for peace and harmony. That is why probably there are only men at boards, women don’t like this kind of communication, which is very much like the old battle fields. Except that swords are changed into words.”Thank you for your kind and personal reply Michael.
WendyMay 2, 2005 at 8:30 am #5237Simon V.ParticipantI think compassion is like the sun. Saying we don’t have it or don’t need it is like denying the reality of the sun or pretending we don’t need its light.
In my life compassion equates to personal sanity. I feel that I would truly go insane without the feeling of interconnected warmth to others. I have found that affirming compassionate intent toward others is a very powerful thing–potent magic!
Also, I feel that compassion is intrinsically related to the intimate sense of presence, which presence is the same as basic happiness–I feel intimate presence, as disentangled from personal-cultural history, IS happiness, the interrelating energy of which is compassion.
For me compassion-happiness has a lot to do with acknowledging and allowing my and others’ weaknesses, at the same time as being firm about following my conscience and pursuing goals that feel genuine, not giving in to degrading trends, whether they manifest internally or externally. Along those lines I feel I can identify with what Wendy has said above on her personal rules.
Simon
May 2, 2005 at 7:33 pm #5239Soaring Spirit FeatherParticipantThis guy Danny, the first post i read, i asked michael “hey is this guy a teenager?” He said no. No insults to teenagers but some guys get over using the trash talk publicly…. eventually. It’s doing him a favor (being compassionate) by let him know it’s not ok anymore. If you think this is fun you are mistaken….
Yea, there is a differernce between using sexual words in a discussion and using them just spouting or showing off or just in plain bad taste. It does seem that the open sex discussions as well as the open sexual teachings attract many people that are sexually unbalanced. Maybe they need this stuff the worst.
peace
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