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>>What I mean by belly dance is sometimes called, american tribal style, tribal fusion, tribaret (tribal+caberet)… The accepted high priestess in the pantheon of tribal dance is Rachel Brice<<
She absolutely is, but you'd get in trouble with some people equating American Tribal Style (ATS) with tribal fusion, which latter is what she's mistress of. ATS emphasizes group improvisation much more. As I say Kim whose video I posted studied with Brice and my lady Rachel has done this also, it's pretty punishing so I agree with you re body mastery! But also re tapping into source and this is so important, because it taps into sexuality as well and therefore we are on ground that intersects with HT.
I work with these ladies now quite alot in various ways and I am sure there could be good ways to put taoist work in there. I would love it if there could be correspondence on that over time on this board. I am trying to work to raise the 'artistic performace' side of energy work because it is a ritual and that is what theatre is too.
The only energy work I have seen directly used with bellydance is chakra based, they're all into their chakras. But on an instinctive level they know alot about the lower centres of course. In particular with tribal fusion which is very very slow and earthy. Of course it's also serpentine and there we change the iconography a little… but look at the Brice-style performance (other great dancers in similar style might be Sharon Kihara, Kami Liddle, Zoe Jakes) and you see something very similar to the low/red/active sphere below and the higher/blue/accepting sphere above. This is something many dancers I think could take in right away as relevant to both spirit and dance. It IS totally a dance about fire and water.
Another dance group who are so awesome, not bellydance, would be the Cloud Gate company who are Chinese. They incorporate elements of qigong and tai chi, kung fu, even calligraphy, along with modern dance, very stunning and again – with dance it's always the way – extremely physically punishing.
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Around here equating any type of tribal with bellydance is anathema. I am not familiar enough with the terms and the form specifics to ID the differences, but for the traditionalists, it’s a big difference.
Popular Egyptian-style is not held in high regard, too close to stripping. The classicists though are still very respectable. Not all the costuming is skimpy. Beledi dresses are usually more modest.
Yes, I would also like to continue talking about developing the connection between the 2 forms as well. I think there’s lots of room for discussion and exploration.
-MichaelL
In London (and San Francisco where tribal was born) skimpiness or otherwise of costume does not seem to play a role in respect! But there is ‘I’m the real shit’ syndrome on the part of those who are more traditional – mind you that occurs everywhere doesn’t it?
Personally I think some of the cabaret dancers in the states particularly are excellent too eg. Ansuya. But I am more interested in tribal from the artistic point of view.
Well let’s report back to each other what happens I guess! j
Yeah actually the two have mated and spawned a hybrid – strictly cabaret – ‘Bellynesian’!!!!! Groan. Jason
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