August 2, 2006 at 4:25 pm #16099
In the ‘Song on Smashing Superstition’, Wang Liangqi says “To
> ‘guard the thoughts’ is not the Way! How can you eat a picture of a
> Is there a difference between ‘guarding the thoughts’ and ‘sweeping
> away miscellaneous thoughts’ ?
> I will appreciate the explanation.
> I’m rather confused, because Zhang San Feng, in his ‘Tai Chi
> Alchemical Secrets’, says that in order to cultivate the Golden
> Elixir, at first the work is a matter of extinguishing emotionalism
> and sweeping away miscellaneous thoughts.
> Thank you, everyone!August 2, 2006 at 7:14 pm #16100
The real question is how does one follow Zhang San Feng’s advise, not whether his guidance is correct. We have a wide range of practices that will take care of the condition they reference; just practice, read good books and make it part of your lifestyle and change will occur.
BaguaAugust 2, 2006 at 10:26 pm #16102
Guarding the thoughts is a way of stopping them. Be like the moon’s reflection which rides the waves as they go on rolling and rocking. Thoughts are swept when they are forgotten. Go to this address if you are interested in cultivating golden elixer, start with step 2. Shikantaza is a good one too.August 2, 2006 at 11:13 pm #16104
Seems like he is talking about the common trend that once we make up our minds it is hard to change. It is a limmiting habbit. Seems rooted in fear. I would recommend finding a teacher. Learning Inner Alchemy from a book or web site seems to be hard if not impossible. Doing the practice will make reading alot of taoist or realy any text easier to understand and feel out. Except those manuels on how to put together a TV stand.:)August 3, 2006 at 1:38 am #16106
>>Learning Inner Alchemy from a book or web site seems to be hard if not impossible.<<
*Yes but cultivating stillness is safe, just takes longer to get it by oneself.August 3, 2006 at 7:18 pm #16108
Thats true, but your site and others have more then that. I was not saying your advice was not helpful. But I think you will argree that having some one introduce you to the Inner Alchemy processes is key. But the life force could show me other wise. I do not think you are doing inner alchemy until you are doing fusion. Though the microcosmic ordit does seem to intergrate somethings. So when I say Inner Alchemy thats what I mean. I mean just because you clean a pot, does not mean your cooking.
Side question. On the web site it has wood in the top postion of where I have seen fire normally placed. They are not out of sequence. Just wanted to know if you know why they did that.August 4, 2006 at 10:12 am #16110
>>I mean just because you clean a pot, does not mean your cooking.<>Just wanted to know if you know why they did that.<<
*I have seen ones where metal is on top!August 4, 2006 at 12:42 pm #16112
“I have seen ones where metal is on top!”
Ok. Do you know why they did that? I am not taking about whitch element is better. I just know in the Healing Tao school fire is in the top position, and if you change that internaly it makes a difference.
*It cooks all by itself when the pot is clean.
Are you referring to the fact that it is a natural process? I understand that. But if you want to speed up the process you use Inner Alchemy. You have to show your intent you have to be present shining your acceptance. If you are able to please write a little more on what you are trying to say.August 4, 2006 at 9:28 pm #16114
I love what you are saying, deep my friend!
baguaAugust 4, 2006 at 10:18 pm #16116
>>Do you know why they did that?<>But if you want to speed up the process you use Inner Alchemy.<>You have to show your intent you have to be present shining your acceptance.<<
*You don't show your intent, YOU ARE INTENT.
Smiles from Wudangshan, it's a lovely morning here,
FajinAugust 4, 2006 at 10:21 pm #16118
I’m on your side this time!!!
FajinAugust 5, 2006 at 2:14 am #16120
“Tso Wang/Shikantaza is not an alchemical science, but it sure speeds up the process!”
Did I define Inner Alchemy as the only helpfull processes? If I did that was not my intention. You can do healing sounds, tai chi, Tso Wang/Shikantaza, driving in your car, a walk in the woods ect. What ever floats your boat or finds your lost remote. Thats not what I was getting at. I was not saying that it was wrong you wanted to show him shomething that you find wonderful and helpful. I think thats great. I am sorry if I made it seem like all the information on your site was bad or not useful, I read some of it, and found it usefull. But if he wants to take it as fare as the golden pearl and the immortal elixir. I still recommend a teacher. If you do not, I would love to here why. I am open to it.
As for the, ounce you clean the pot it will start to cook on its own. I would like to know more of your thought on this. Just to see if we are even playing in the same field.
“You don’t show your intent, YOU ARE INTENT.”
That is a beautiful place to take it. Can you be love and be loved.
“We are in the process of becoming WHO WE REALLY ARE.”
Do I not know that? You could have asked. In fact I could be asking alot more question in general. I think we on this site could gain alot from just asking question of each other. I do not know your wonderful world. You do not know mine.August 5, 2006 at 10:00 am #16122
I was not speaking directly to you, but to anyone that wanted to head down Zhang, Sanfeng’s path. I was not supposed to enter discussions because I said I wanted some time by myself to practice more meditation and alchemy and then come back after some more years.
And I have entered this discussion because I just wanted to emphasize the importance of cultivating stillness. Bagua and Max have helped me to realize it and I humbly thank them. It is something that must be experienced and cannot be read about because it is beyond intellect/knowledge and would like others newcomers to lay that foundation before they begin cultivating the golden elixer or steaming pearls.
I will depart again after this discussion and will probably be back in early 2007. I will be willing to share my wonderful world with you and any answers you have to any questions.
FajinAugust 5, 2006 at 10:09 am #16124
>>As for the, ounce you clean the pot it will start to cook on its own. I would like to know more of your thought on this. Just to see if we are even playing in the same field.<<
*There's a good article on Mantak's site, read it. First, the qi channels and vessels open and then alchemy occurs. The alchemical laboratory or pot must first be clean. That all happens by itself when you cultivate stillness. Are we playing on the same field?August 5, 2006 at 7:37 pm #16126
“I was not supposed to enter discussions because I said I wanted some time by myself to practice more meditation and alchemy and then come back after some more years.”
You are just going to have to face it, you are just a bad monk. No I am just kidding.
If I am hearing you right, I too am all about practicing, over reading or talking about it. Not that reading or talking about it does not have its place. In fact I to beleive that there are thing that just can not be explained by words. Again I think its great you wanted to share that. You seem to truly care, thats great.
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