August 22, 2014 at 4:38 am #42830
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Guided meditation and Chi Kung formulas of the Universal Tao practices, led by Senior Instructor The Professor.
This is a philosophical question, and a general inquiry to more experienced practicioners (everyone here), that has to do with experiences practicing with this guided trip.
I just read an article (linked below) that helped to articulate some thoughts I’ve been having. Some excerpts:
Those who always think they are right,
He who is not self-critical,
Dao De Jing, Chapter 24
“Many who consider themselves to be skeptics spend their time debunking pseudoscience. But skepticism is really about questioning your own current understanding, not about challenging ideas that are opposed to it. This is why the null hypothesis is important in scientific study; lets assume my ideas are wrong and try to disprove them (albeit the null hypothesis is usually more of a statistical tool than a mindset in scientific research, sadly).
…However, my background is in psychology, magic and mentalism with an interest in hypnosis and suggestion, so Im well aware of the ability of suggestions to create all kinds of experiences in the body that are produced by the imagination and are not real’…
Although I have had many other interesting experiences of qi, these two stand out as being compelling because they happened contrary to expectations, or in the absence of suggestions, and cannot be explained away simply as being created from the imagination. That being said, it is important to consider how experiences of the physical body arecreated from the imagination. According to daoist thought, these are an expression of the consciousness leading the qi and consequently affecting the body.
Since these experiences, I have re-evaluated my ideas about qi and the potential of acupuncture, but even now, I must still apply a certain level of skepticism. When I am training in nei gong and I notice sensations or spontaneous movements, I must explore them and question them. Not necessarily intellectually, but with enquiring senses. Especially in the early stages of internal training, all sorts of experiences are as likely to be imagined as they are real, which is partly why the emphasis should be on continuing practice rather than focusing on these experiences as if they are the goal of the practice.”
So, I’ve been doing this exercise, and I’ve had some interesting results. I decided to stop and ask about them before continuing or doing something else. Over time, first, I wepttears rolling for half of an hour. My heart beat fast. I became very hot; steaming, it felt like. And then a pain that I’ve never experienced began near the top edge of my pelvic bone (I still feel it) and moved down my right leg into the back of my knee. Yesterday I went to the beach with an old friend who was in town, and afterwards decided to go to bed instead of practicing, and today the pain is very faint.
I have experienced pain that doctors thought I was “imagining” before, that has passed. I have no understanding, really. And that is another story, but really the same question: does anybody know something that I don’twilling to share? I don’t have anything to offer but this beautiful picture, Daruma, so I apologize.August 22, 2014 at 7:30 pm #42831
If you imagine a hot fudge sundae, and then feel hunger arise in your body as a result . . does that mean that the hunger is unreal? No, of course not. It is as real as anything else is.
Imagination creates reality, that’s the trick.
Through continuous practice, through “imagination”, one can create physiological responses in the body. What is that, if not energy?
If it’s just imagination in the head (without a physiological response) then it’s just fantasy; but if you have an energetic physiological response in the body as a result of your conscious attention, then it is as real as anything else is. That’s part of what this training is about . . . to become more successful at that . . . to be able to develop the skills to shape your own destiny.
The key in this is to really get into your body via grounding practices (e.g. Iron Shirt 1 standing meditation), physical qigong, and Tai Chi. This makes you more embodied and makes it easier for conscious attention to create a physiological response, rather than just having a fantasy.
The experience you describe simply sounds like a detoxification process: a new awareness of places in your body where qi had been stuck in an unhealthy pattern, some got released (via weeping, heat), some is still stuck (pain).
Getting more into your physical body (and out of your head) would be of benefit to you. Qi from the Earth is what heals the physical body, and helps ground down too much mental thinking.
SAugust 23, 2014 at 12:51 am #42833
galactic core, big bang universe…
these are things which create reality
the brain is a sucker
is the moon larger when it appears to be so?
no, it is an optic effect
do the brain and cns respond to self stimulation, yes…
which is real?
what is artificial?
the hole point is that REAL delinquents are mixing real telepathy with pseudo guru mysticism
if your ass is still burnt it’s still burntAugust 23, 2014 at 1:14 am #42835
I had quite the same issue with pain after practice last week … Seems I overdo iron shirt or maybe I had some stuck chi in the boddy … I had to stop practice for a few days, almost a week long …
Yesterday I did Iron shirt again, but barefoot on the earth … much, much, better … 😉
I usually did it in sport shoes on asphalt, seems I have to svitch to barefoot on earth and grass … 🙂
Peace, Jox 🙂August 23, 2014 at 5:39 am #42837
From teaching IS1 to many people, pain is usually an indicator that you are holding tension somewhere, either the shoulders or the psoas. The defect needs to be found in your physical posture and your ability to relax. There are at least 20 structural principles for doing Embracing the Tree for instance. If even one of them is off, you won’t have a good connection to the ground, and you will create pain.
Going barefoot is a certainly a trick for making an easier connection to the ground. However, if you make structural changes to your posture and focus on releasing tension, you won’t need to do this.
SAugust 23, 2014 at 5:48 am #42839
There is no physiological change–in the moon–when it optically appears larger, is there? Thus the optical size change does not represent an embodied reality. If the moon *actually* changed as a result of perception, then it would be real. This is the point. If conscious awareness creates actual change, then it is real.
Your own body and its conscious space give immediate feedback.
Most people do not have ownership of the physical body of the moon like they do their own body. If you do, please let us know.
SAugust 23, 2014 at 8:54 am #42841
I know exactly what you are saying but that is not the “ultimate” implementation which this healingdao group promotes nor does it really have anything to do imho with his question…
what you are talking about, taken to it’s ultimate, would allow a being/CNS/___ (fill in the blank) to reprogram, rejuvenate, “shapeshift”, teleport?, etc…
and that all may very well be real…
but that is not what this community or others in the new age mean by “creating reality”..
please re-read your own statement:
“Imagination creates reality, that’s the trick.”
you did not say “imagination can restructure the body”
you know what this means…
the 60’s pseudo zen “quantum physics” wackos have decided time bends, reality dissolves,
“nothing is real”
THIS IS ALL TOTAL GARBAGE.
it’s a false implementation of “Schrodinger’s” observations that is so geuinely and insanely detrimental it is beyond comprehension…
you are NOT CREATING REALITY…
YOU ARE NOT CREATING REALITY..
Dr. Leary said things like “you create your own reality” in a loose metaphorical sense concerning ideology, joy, etc…
if you work at a bank and you are robbed, the same as any other bank…
why were you robbed? is it because you created your reality?
no, it is because you work at a bank…August 23, 2014 at 9:06 am #42843
it is hard to say, but I would suggest the following…
the basic nerve lines of the CNS are bold and simple…
for someone with sciatic nerve pain, sending extra juice will probably just hurt more…
the nerves there function like simple copper telephone lines.. posture and bone structure put painful pressure and tension which ring like a toothache..
the issue is structural
in another instance someone had a dermatological rash caused by some sort of fungus… this resulted in swelling
they practiced chi kung before knowing it was fungal… the chi kung caused additional fluid swelling in the face of the irritant…
overall chi kung is wonderful and beneficial, but in cases like these this could be an indication of another type of problemAugust 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm #42845
>>>I know exactly what you are saying
>>>but that is not the “ultimate” implementation
>>>which this healingdao group promotes
I’m not a spokesman for any viewpoint of any group.
There are points where I certainly disagree with others in the Healing Tao community.
What others choose to believe (in our community or outside it) is their business.
I promote my beliefs, based on my direct experience, and no one else’s.
>>>what you are talking about, taken to it’s ultimate,
>>>would allow a being/CNS/___ (fill in the blank)
>>>to reprogram, rejuvenate, “shapeshift”, teleport?, etc…
>>>and that all may very well be real…
I think that’s certainly possible if one developed enough skill. I see no reason why this could not be. I think the capacity to shift anything within your own body space is certainly possible with enough development in your own consciousness. From personal experience, I see every indication this is true.
>>>please re-read your own statement:
>>>”Imagination creates reality, that’s the trick.”
>>>you did not say “imagination can restructure the body”
>>>you know what this means…
>>>the 60’s pseudo zen “quantum physics” wackos
>>>have decided time bends, reality dissolves,
>>>”nothing is real”
Please pay attention to context.
I was talking about the inner map of your own consciousness and body, not things external to you. The question was in relation to doing alchemical meditation which is directed at the self, and the self alone. I’ve said many times on this Board that you are not in control of what other people do or in control of external influences from creation. The only thing you are in control of is: your own consciousness (which includes the body), and free-will choice reactions to external influences which have nothing to do with you and you have no control over. That’s it. I was talking about the internal alchemical meditation that causes a shift in internal psycho-spiritual energies, nothing more. Don’t extrapolate.
SAugust 24, 2014 at 6:55 am #42847
In Scientology, the tone scale or emotional tone scale is a characterization of human behavior. It is based on the idea that some people appear to be more lively and alive than other people; this increased liveliness is orderly. Author L. Ron Hubbard spelled the idea out saying, “just draw a horizontal line on the page. Put the people who are less alive on the bottom and the people who are more alive on the top.”
In his 1951 book Science of Survival, Hubbard expanded the idea into many increments. The idea states that a “tone” has many manifestations including appearance, chronic emotion, the way the person handles other people, how well the person can pass on a communication given to them, and other characteristics.
The old robber’s name was Assam, and he was almost seventy years old. Assam had been a highwayman and terrorized the surrounding countryside until he’d had misfortune to pick Pai Lok Nen as a victim. When beaten By the nonchalant immortal, Assam had pleaded for his life, promising that he would do anything if he could be just spared; he would never steal from or injure anyone again. Pai Lok Nen had not known what to do with the man; he could not very well leave him where he was, beacause the bändit was surely untrustworthy. He finally decide to take him with him as a servant. To make sure that Assam would neither injure anyone again nor run away, he had lamed him by partially paralyzin the greater sciatic nerve in the robber’s right leg. Pai Sifu then brought him out to the island, where it was impossible for the man to escape. Now Assam hobbled around everywhere on the isle, the thumping of the thick staff he used to support his weight the old man’s trademark sound. Liao had sent…
-KOSTA DANAOS, The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist ImmortalAugust 24, 2014 at 10:25 pm #42849August 25, 2014 at 1:20 am #42851
Whoever finds love
beneath hurt and grief
disappears into emptiness
with a thousand new disguises
version by Coleman Barks
with thanks to poetry chaikhana
This poem is as real as anything, then. Thanks for the insightful responseI agree, it would be good to get into my body more. Would you recommend Iron Shirt to a beginner?
I wonder if my body gave me the sensation of pain because it’s easy to believe. It could be unrelated to the practice, but I’ve never experienced anything quite like it and no longer do. At any rate, anything that brings tears is welcome.
As far as fantasy goes… well, some artists reach deeper into my being than others. Brushstrokes don’t lie, and that doesn’t mean that I understand.August 25, 2014 at 1:34 am #42853
Going barefoot… That’s a good idea. Something I don’t need to learn how to do, and something that I naturally did as a child.
I’m glad that you wrote this; one of the reasons why that I have hesitated to begin a practice such as Iron Shirt (which I know nothing about) is that I want to be sure that I am doing things correctly. Knowing that others are there and willing to share knowledge and experience is heartening. Yes, I alone can change… but I can’t do it alone. There is a good quote on this forum somewhere. I’ll see if I can find it.August 25, 2014 at 1:49 am #42855
This is what came to mind:
“1. Only you yourself can effect your salvation. It is your responsibility;
2. You cannot possibly do it alone: You need the help of others who share
the journey with you, who may often see what you do not see; 3. Without … ,
without the personal assistance of the personal aspect of … ( …), the
undertaking is too vast for you to accomplish.”
Peace 😉August 25, 2014 at 3:31 am #42857
that because of the wine’s pureness
and the crystal clarity of the glass
the color of glass and wine were confused.
All is glass – or, no, all is wine.
All is wine – or, no, all is glass.
When the sky is tainted
with the colors of the sun
heaven kicks away the blankets and sheets,
the shadows of nothingness. Day and Night
make peace with each other:
thus have the world’s affairs been ordered.
~ Fakhruddin ‘Iraqi
from Divine Flashes
Why do people choose a spiritual path? What is gained by spiritual practices? If I had to answer, I’d have difficulty choosing words. So many different ideas. I’ve heard that in Old English there was one word for “tree” and “true”nothing more true than a tree.
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