March 30, 2006 at 2:34 am #12089
Hello Singing Ocean,
Nice of you to introduce yourself. Intersting, we live in the same city.
I have a very, very, long record of martial arts, if you really want I could tell you the whole story, but very lengthy. I have practiced martial arts from the Shaolin school, Lama Pai, and Wudang. Over 30 different styles starting from the age of 8 when I started.
In regards to taiji though, I have studied Erle’s old yang style, and sanfeng taiji, zhao bao taiji, and taiyi five element boxing at wudang mountain which I have lived there for 4 years at a dormitory when I was 18 years old right after finishing high school. Sanfeng primeval taiji is what I mostly practice as well as some shaolin arts that I selected from my experience and tibetan tantric martial qigong as well. So, I don’t study with anyone anymore, I train by myself.
I have heard of Victor Fu, and have read both of Grandmaster Liang’s books, Qigong Empowerment and Kung Fu Elements, he is a genuine teacher. Only, I don’t know much about his taiji. About Bei Kuen, I think you are referring to what is called Through the Back Fist/Style or Tongbeiquan in it’s mandarin name. This simulates the White Apes movements and has some similarity to Tibetan White Ape. Very interesting. It uses very heavy and powerful strikes.
Question: Why do you choose to practice martial arts, Singing Ocean? I would live to hear some of your past experiences if you don’t mind.
Also, have you done any inner alchemy prior to Michael’s, just curious to hear why you shifted to this path and what your experiences are with other paths.
About raw foods, I wouldn’t say that they are extreme diets if one knows how to balance them with colours and food combining as well as acid/alkaline. It is very safe, balancing, and increases yuan qi. Raw greens are the best food you can consume today, especially if it hasn’t been left in a fridge or any any EMF (electromagnetic field) environment. If you are interested, get Frederic Patenaude’s, “Raw Secrets” it’s the single best book on raw foods on the market, imho.
FajinMarch 30, 2006 at 10:00 am #12090
I would like to check out your practice of the wudang arts. I have been to china to visit Huashan, and a few other places but mainly for meditation on those trips M.Winn organized.
The martial form I am currently practicing is knwon by a few names and is actually a daoist art; Bei Kuen roughly translates as “Mysterious fist”, also known in mandarin as tai hsu. I mainly practice martial arts for the physical health aspect, and I practice alchemy for the spiritual aspect. Although they both include physical and spiritual I have found that it is much more effective to focus on what you specifically want from each. I started originally from mantak chia’s books, then switched over to michael’s forms becuase the higher level practices seemed more integrated, and have proven effective through practice (I really dig the wuji qigong using one clouds alchemy formulas).
I agree that raw diets are not really extreme if people know what they are doing. I am interested in Patenaude’s work and will check it out.March 30, 2006 at 10:19 am #12092
check out this cool site for green tea. This guy has fresh high mountain taiwanese green and oolong tea, and traditional handmade korean pottery.March 30, 2006 at 1:04 pm #12094
Hello Singing Ocean,
If you are interested in going to China again to inquire about Wudang Taiji then I can direct you their website and check it out. You can go and stay there for a week, a month, or however long you desire. It’s a good oppurtunity! I put the link at the bottom of the academy I went. Read the site.
I originally practiced martial arts becuase without anything spiritual as I didn’t know about inner alchemy, but now I do. When you add the more combative aspects to martial arts like say, fajin explosive strikes, it helps you even more on your path. Obtaining a fajin qi flow will help your health better than any other qigong can. The huge burst of qi that explodes from the dantian to any part of the body can overcome any blockage.
Pushing hands can also be alot of fun, too. At Wudang, you can learn many new internal basics that other taiji styles don’t have. The dantian rotation principles and emitting force is different too. It’s the art that Zhang, Sanfeng originally created. He originally created Zhao Bao taiji which then combined with taiji 72 postures and was known as 108 movement sanfeng taiji and was based on the original 13 postures. Check the site, or if you want you can always probably find an instructor somewhere here in Canada. Pretty sure there is one person teaching atleast Zhao Bao taiji.
I have tried wujigong, and I did see a similar form on Wudang. I think Michael changed it a bit, I bought his DVD on Primordial qigong. Yes, it is a very good form, though I don’t know of the higher levels.
Also, Patenaude’s book is very good, but combine it with your knowledge of Chinese medicine and five element nutrition and you’ll have a wonderful diet, if you’re ever interested!
Thanks for the green tea link! I’m a green tea addict! I’ll check it out!
Thanks Singing Ocean,
FajinMarch 30, 2006 at 8:00 pm #12096
Can you tell me what parts of Primordial may have been changed? And what do you think of Wing Chun?
baMarch 30, 2006 at 11:19 pm #12098
I just saw the form once and I don’t think that they have any heart opening movements when you are holding the qi ball and extending to right then left then right. There might have not been some other things as well. But, it’s not important because there exist many variations of it, it’s constantly being changed. From what I can see, Michael’s wujigong is very good. It is quite powerful and the changes he made, if any, did well.
Wing Chun or Wing Tsun was one of my first styles I learned for about a year. Not much of an internal emphasis placed on it, except the lop sao (sticky hands), pak sao (slapping hands), and qi sao (qi hands), which is sort of like pushing hands in taiji. Of course, this is not about pushing. For self-defense, it is an OK style, it uses front leg kicks like hook kicks and front hand hits to subdue the opponent and is similar to Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do (way of intercepting fist) as he learned from Yip Man, the main man of Wing Chun.
The majority of the training is on the mook jong (wooden dummy) and uses finger jabs, and other nifty tehcniques that attack the groin and other vital points seeing that it was created for self-defense. Yip Man was said to be very good in qi sao that none of his students could even lay a hand on him with his eyes closed. That’s how good his sensitivity and sense of oneness with the opponent was.
Ask if you have any more questions, martial arts is my main game!
FajinMarch 31, 2006 at 10:12 am #12100
The dantian rotation principles and emitting force is different too.
I design my own interpretion based on distance study of Kumar, Chia and Winn. Winn’s empty force breathing, Chia’s tai chi chi kung (bone breathing/central channels, belt channels, dan tien expansion/rotation) and walking tai chi form and in circle.
What is the defining principle difference?
Just found some nice rooting pictures. From a chen school. But they strongly differentiate between those who are of blood and those who are not family, so they live secrets and keep the boundry.
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(and some next)March 31, 2006 at 10:20 am #12102March 31, 2006 at 10:22 am #12104March 31, 2006 at 1:04 pm #12106
I really like reading your posts and I have a question for you. I am a Tai chi player. I working with the the form from classicaltaichi.com with the teacher and dvd. I have also played Yang family form
But I was interested to know the relationship of jing as one of the three treasures to the development of jin or internal power. It doesn’t seem like all these masters who have real power do sexual practice, or do they all do it and keep it secret?
I hope my questions are clear.March 31, 2006 at 5:16 pm #12108
In wudang taiji, I learned that when emitting force, we contract to the center, and explode outwards in all directions. It’s very powerful. I don’t know much about Chen style or others except Erle’s Old style. You won’t find this material in books, but I’m pretty sure that there are some VCD’s out there that teach Wudang arts like Zhao Bao, just search them on google or find a teacher.
Hope that helps,
FajinMarch 31, 2006 at 5:21 pm #12110
I have been doing primordal for about six years of so, there is a heart movement.
I have done wing chun on and of for about eight years. The key to wing chun is structure and they do develop internal power, but maybe in a different way. Wong Sheung Leung (King of the Talking Fists) was bruce lee’s real teacher, Yip Man was older at the time. Wong is double in some of his films and is the most famous challenge match fighter. Maybe we can chat more, limtied time now.
baguaMarch 31, 2006 at 5:30 pm #12112
Thank you for enjoying my posts. It’s my pleasure for me to share what I know so others can learn, and others can do the same so I can learn. Btw, do you practice tumo? It’s a really good method.
About your question, jin and jing are two totally different things that do have connection to each other but no in the sense. Let me explain. Jing is converted to qi from the kidneys as in abdominal breathing as we know and we store this qi in the dantian. Of course, you can practice other ways of converting jing into qi like sexual techniques as well or kan and li formulas. Jin is martial power, and depends on qi. Erle has some pretty good stuff on how to perform fa-jin (explosive martial power), akin to the taiji styles. Get his DVD on what it is, how to do it, etc.
Personally, I have found the best way to develop jin is to practice lots and lots of zhan zhuang for seveeral hours at a day. Jin depends on your connection connection to earth and heaven. The stronger you are rooted by the earth and pulled by heaven, the better your bones will be aligned for the manifestation of jin from the ground up. Dantian is the dividing ground between heaven and earth forces, above the dantian the body should be light due to heavenly pull (levitation at highest levels) and below the dantian very stable and rooted.
Also, depends on a powerful dantian, so plenty of ways to work on that one including zhan zhuang. I stronly recommend that you first open the “macrocosmic orbit” if you haven’t yet, then begin jin training, it will be way easier and more powerful.March 31, 2006 at 5:41 pm #12114
Yes, wing chun is about good form and I didn’t really learn about internal power that much, just qi sao, lop sao, and pak sao and alot of wooden dummy practice that I developed good structure and form. If you could tell me some jins that are developed in wing chun I would be very interested to hear this. Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do is a culmination of 2000+ books including muay thai, wing chun, european fencing principles, western boxing, judo, jujitsu, zen, Dao philosophy, etc. I believe the double you are referring to was in his unfinished movie, “Game of Death” when he died.
So what other forms of martial arts have you come across, Bagua? I would like to discuss with you if you have the time, we can share our knowledge.
FajinMarch 31, 2006 at 6:51 pm #12116
Thanks for the post. Can you steer me to a specific title in Erle’s many works? I have done some fajin work with my yang style teacher, but I need to expand. Thnaks
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