March 29, 2005 at 8:25 am #3764
I just saw the movie “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
There was a presentation of an amazing water experiment by a Japanese scientist which certainly seems to prove the practical utility of positive intent. He freezes water and examines it before and after exposing it to different focused intents, to different forms of music, etc. As the movie points out, our bodies are mostly water…
I found a good website with a summary of his experiments:
http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.aspMarch 29, 2005 at 9:16 am #3765March 29, 2005 at 10:32 am #3767
Proper respect due to M.Chia who introduced this book to the Healing Tao community several years ago.
No joke. Put your intent into water. Just takes a minute to do it.
I make a practice of charging beverages when I serve them to my family.
This shows that the practice of blessing your food and water is really more than a ritual.
It is possible to effect your environment.
And as they say in “what the bleep…” if your thoughts can do that to water, imagine what they do to ourselves, who are mostly made up of water.
We DO affect our selves, our environment.
Definitely easiest to start with water.
They sell stuff called “structured” water. Water from your tap and other sources has been through all kinds of unnatural states. So, why not make a practice of putting your chi/intent into it and making it “structure” by yourself. No need to buy structured water.
Don’t get me wrong though. I don’t touch TAP water. Even in lovely Oregon.
Chi yow for now.
CraigMarch 29, 2005 at 11:50 pm #3769
I wish he would publish his research in a peer reviewed journal. If his discovery is true it has incredible, *incredible* implications and his work should be duplicated and verified in the open scientific community. It could impact many many more people this way, instead of just the niche in the new age community he is impressing. Honestly I want to believe in his findings, but find it suspicious he conceals his methods.
The timing of this post is very synchronistic for me because I just started watching “What the bleep” literally last night and ended up stopping it at the scene with the water crystals and spending the entire rest of the evening (several hours) attempting to find a single of shred of real scientific evidence outside of “this Japanese guys says so”. Kind of infuriating actually that everywhere I read about this “discovery” all I see are “ooohs” and “ahhhhs” but very desire for hard science. I think the Truth should not be thought so fragile that it will not hold up to close scrutiny.
Sorry for the rant. It’s just when I see supposed discoveries like this, that propose to create real bridges between science and spirituality, it makes me a little mad the actual science part seems uncared for.
Sean.March 30, 2005 at 12:46 am #3771
hey, man, i’m in your camp. lets see some hard science. not to deprecate his work, but this does have tremendous possibilities. there is a lot outside the mainstream that has gained increasin credence and even widespread acceptance, mainly because of impirical results, like chinese medicine for example. i find his work very intriguing, but the jury’s still out as far as i’m concerned.March 30, 2005 at 9:01 am #3773
when exposed to possibility then it is not your thing. And it would be a waste of energy trying to persuade. And it might have ching consequences.
If the knees do get weak, then nice appetite absorbing the thought. Then do your work.
There are wild and exciting possibilities that are rarely explored:
Wilheim Reich: orgon recognition experimentation
Ingo Swann: copper room experiment
This water stuff, primary biocommunications …
All internal arts/stuff.
This are all stuff that demand a limited amount of money and a lot of work.
How many people are commited to such work?
How many people are commited to say chemotheraphy?
The one that promises high results has not been researched much. The other that does not promise high results nor has developed results after much efford is still pursued.
As Wilheim Reich said: ‘only he who invested as much labour in the field/practice as me can judge me.’
Then he can verify for himself. His work example was resisted. His body suffered. He called it the emotional plaque. But then he WANTED all to be healthy. He could limit his interest to personal sphere of influence.
One of the reason why ninjas keep living in shadow light. It enables them to operate in wider society and sometimes survive. They consider universities a money making machines and modern science a seek art.
Physics shows that intent of ‘experimenter’ is influencing the experiments.
Tcm is effective. However it sells two thing: ‘we are effective’ and ‘you WILL leak out’. Check HT article.
I guess this is my soft spot. Peace.
Medicine in Crisis articleMarch 30, 2005 at 3:59 pm #3775
This article might satisfy some of your desire for official scientific support for his experiments:March 30, 2005 at 10:14 pm #3777
Check out Theodore Schwenk’s book Sensitive Chaos for research independent of Emotos with similar results. A beautiful book as well. Not peer reviewed either but research done in the forties fifties and sixties of last century.March 31, 2005 at 3:53 am #3779March 31, 2005 at 1:52 pm #3781
Good points. I think there is a danger of scrutinizing spiritual methods in such a way as to cut them up and render them useless. And I agree there is a sad lack of real work being done with the important fields you bring up. I’m not trying to sanitize our Work with the scientific method. My big issue with people like Masaru Emoto is that they are presenting their material as science, but failing to meet the simple and well known requirements of science. Why? If Masaru Emoto has already done the hard science, like he claims, why not publish it? Seems dishonest.
It’s one thing to teach that you can change your own vibrations and that this will unfold a new way of being that will naturally impact the world around you. This type of statement can be processed on different levels according to your beliefs. But Emoto is putting a very specific, very radical and very appealing claim forward. He is saying that your vibrations directly and profoundly influence the matter around you. Now many of us have already read enough fringe “quantum physics” from the local New Age shop to have no doubts about this being true. But in my research I’ve found lots and lots of studies done, but this is the first time I’ve seen someone claim they have empirical proof that thought/intention can effect the external material world so incredibly. I mean seriously, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research has been doing studies like this for years and they get excited over tiny tiny statistical deviations over hundreds of trials in a random number generator; this guy is saying we can radically transform crystal formations overnight. It’s an awesome idea, one that resonates with my intuition, but if you call it science, make it science.
BTW – Here is a topic I started on TaoBums listing interesting links I’ve found to related research:
Sean.March 31, 2005 at 1:54 pm #3783
Heavy read … I’m digesting in chunks. Thanks.
Sean.March 31, 2005 at 7:57 pm #3785
I remember seeing an article in a Kaballah paper where they could turn water back to its ‘original’ beauty. Like Emoto they had microscopic pictures to show water meditated upon turning to beautiful crystals.
So its out there.
I remember in the 70’s they’d put house plants on lie detectors and show proof of the ‘intelligence’ of plants.
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