April 26, 2008 at 3:34 am #28173
Can someone tell me the proper way to do reverse breathing into the Dan Tien?
Does the chest move or does only the stomach move?
Do you know of any clips i can see on this or mantak chia books for this information as well Micheal Winn?
ChiballerApril 26, 2008 at 4:27 am #28174
On inhalation the stomach goes in.
On exhalation the stomach goes out.
The chest is realaxed during the whole breath.
The dificult and most important thing is to relax the diafragm during this brething. when you have done the inhalation you let the diafragm down and the perineum up. This is like squizing the air in the stomach from all sides into a more compressed state.
Good luck with your practise.
If you not succeed with the relaxation of the diafragm and letting it go down you might get to much energy in your heart and get heart pain, so be aware of this detail.
If dificult do abdominal breathing for a long time daily first and do some massage of the diafragm with the fingers under into the ribs to stretch and massage the diafragm.
S DApril 26, 2008 at 5:44 pm #28176
What works for me the goal being an exspanded open tan tien. I start with ocean breathing relaxing and smiling deeper into that great ocean inside my self I rest in the mid point between belly and the spine, feeling the tide come and go. Then I wil switch into conter force breathing. The only diference with conter force breathing is that I will bring the energy body inn on the inhale and the exspand it on the exhale. But the physical body stays the same, the belly rises with the innerhale and vis versa. I will end by returning to ocean breathing breathing naturaly. hope that helps.April 26, 2008 at 6:00 pm #28178
The fundamentals dvd / cd set is much more detailed. I am asumming you know ocean breathing, and are familiar with counter force breathing.April 26, 2008 at 11:54 pm #28180
Thanks alot Swedich Dragon, how far does the stomch go in i can only make it pull in very slightly is that a problem?
ChiBallerApril 27, 2008 at 12:00 am #28182
No i dont know of this practice i only know of natural breathing in the dan tian and reverse breathing when doing chinese kung fu but not so much in meditation. I feel i lift my chest up alittle maybe cause my diapham is tight???
ChiBallerApril 27, 2008 at 4:18 am #28184
Hello Chi baller
I think I am also lifting the rig cages a litle when doing the reversed breathing. But I am not completely shore if it is ok or not, I think it´s ok, beacase it feels right. But on the other side I have not learned it by a teacher, but from a book. Thats why I´m not shore.
S DApril 27, 2008 at 4:30 am #28186
It seems to me since this is both an external breathing method and an internal intentional energetic process the rib cage has to lift for the diaphragm to rop and the breath to come in!
Though as the process sinks in I do find the focus going more into the tan tien that Dog suggests so it isnt just an external willful doing. BarryApril 27, 2008 at 4:45 am #28188April 29, 2008 at 12:01 am #28190
Im not to be using the chest to bring teh stomach in, so i need more development!April 29, 2008 at 8:44 pm #28192
Ive looked around and read some books lately they seem to be doing what im doing the body will naturally lift slightly i thought i may be lifting too much but its cool its just very slightly.
Thanks all for your help!
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