Round 2: Dao vs Chan. WHO is attuning to the Center?

You have an idealistic view of what Taoist alchemy is. Let’s wait 5 years from now and then, if we are still around, we will have round 3. But for now, read again what Bagua said to you. He is saving you a lot of time.

I read your earlier posts with Michael about Chan and Daoism and I couldn’t help seeing you got schooled every time.
You’re too funny to think there could be a winner in this discussion. Plus you didn’t read the posts that were ‘magically’ deleted due to the ‘accidents’ by webmasters.

Most of my knowledge of Daoist alchemy is from speaking to other Daoists at Wudang and this site so yes, I do have an idealistic view of it, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I’m talking about.

That’s all good and it will help you on your path.

I can see that you clearly wanted me to go with that Nan Huai Chin guy as your e-mail told me all.
I wanted you to look at the whole thing with another perspective. You can read his book ‘History of Taoism’ to learn more on his view of what Taoism and Alchemy are. All I offer is help and it’s up to you to accept or reject it. There is nothing fo me to gain from this. And that’s the reason I don’t spend much time here. Takes too much time.

the WHO is the observer. this observer i’m not really sure i can explain in daosit terms. it seems to be that part of the five shen that has already integrated.

this does not require daoist practice or any other kind of practice to take place. the shen do it spontaneously as you (they) experience life. i think a modicum of this spontaneous integratin must take place before someone even becomes interested in fulfillment.

Human is a pact between heaven and earth.
Many layers of it. Lesser, greater, greatest.

If pact is no more on some level (either broken or fulfilled), then in that aspect there is man no more.
Unengaged polarities are left ‘in space’ of future/past life in other hearts.

Heaven on earth. Many heavens on earth. In one human.

Misconceptions come from the notion that name defines the man.
Man is the heart, the flow that opens.
Name is just a shortcut to a layer of heart.
Names are polarities that are accessed.

Ancestral lineage name is idea implanted after birth. For ease of ancestors. Not for ease of everything.

Try calling a human. You can call his ancestral name. But you may get attacted if call was not allinged with other parts of him.
But if you call by directly evoking his character or destiny, how can he refuse. That is him.
You can even evoke his mortality and not use his ancestral lineage name (=seduction).

One can reach other human by calling to implant, evoking its character, evoking its destiny.

If one resonates with one such in other human, and then such is there no more, then it is the passion of heart that makes the move on.

Body is a consciousness, as is the spirit. Thus body is empty vessel as much as it is discarnate spirit. It is the war of sex.

I am the madness of heaven bred by the earth.
Growing weight-loss and shortsightedness until found some ground.
Weird.

And you are right. You can not grasp onto anything. It is the flow.

Have you ever meditated on the act on giving child its name?
Observe it carefully.
Now… can you imagine living with such human and that such name were not given…

Next..Imagine going around your family doing your things, and never call them by ‘their’ (given by parents/peers) name.
‘Pierre, come to luch’=’lunch is eaten now’

of course challenge is ‘hi, let’s go for a drink’ or plain call ‘Pierre!'(who is walking in front of you on the street and has not noted you)

because the intent has not yet been express. (a man wrote whole book on ‘What do you say after you say hello’)

express it first: start talking on the subject you are interested and it will naturally progress to a table with tea; or just make a scream at ‘Pierre’ with all your soul (inarticulate sound) and if there is it he will turn around.

This is quite magical.

And if she is not ‘proud woman’ which was what made your juice flow, you would have great difficulty reaching her. You would need to evoke her character and not yours.
Can you imagine doing this for whole life. Or for eternity.