Round 4: Five Forces Shaping the Human Soul

Hello Fajin, or should I call you Adrian from now?

Buddhists attempt to still the mind, but what is making the mind unstill?

Here is what Buddha observed through his meditations. It’s only a crude version and you can write pages on it. I’m taking it from my other post so you don’t have to look.

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“1. Everything in this world is made of 5 elements.

2. Human body experiences a combination of these 5 elements though your 5 senses. Like for instance, a woman passing by. You see her through your eyes, you may smell her perfume, she maybe talking and you hear the sound of her voice, etc. Depending on your development you may sense her energy and other ‘elements’ like some things about her life you could never know otherwise.

3. Your mind gathers all the information from your 5 senses and put a ‘label’ on it: the woman is pretty and you like that, you don’t really like her perfume, the sound of her voice is very gentle and soft and it reminds you of someone else you knew before. Your mind has developed a complex combination of labels to chose from- not just ‘like and dislike’, or ‘love and hate’. These labels are your emotions and feelings and they shape your reactions to her.

4. After you experienced a complex mix of emotion and feelings- they could be very slight and subtle, or strong and heavy- you develop either a clinging or aversion, again they could be very strong or subtle- all based on the experience of your senses and the reaction of your mind. These clinging and aversion may take many shapes- it all depends on your individual karma.

Buddha discovered that this clinging/attachment or aversion/rejection are the culprits that make people’s suffering possible. That beautiful woman you saw is gone, but because of your emotional response you are still thinking about her. You cling to the emotions that contact with her had produced and you want to feel them again and again. But because the woman is not there with you, you can’t have that experience, and so you suffer.

The opposite example is someone called you a bad name. You hear it through your ears, your see the person’s angry face, and you might feel their anger through other means. Your mind immediately puts ‘labels’ on your senses- disappointment, rejection, anger, etc. You don’t like the experience of someone’s calling you a name and you have an aversion/rejection toward it. It may long be in the past but that negative feeling is still there, and every time you see this person you may feel a complex mix of feelings toward them.

Buddha saw all of that and he realized this process above is the source of all people’s suffering, and also what shapes their destiny and makes their karma. As the nature of all things is impermanent, all attachments and clinging people have will cause them to suffer after the object of their attachment is gone.

He concluded that the step #3 is the reason for all of this. Your mind reacting to the senses with emotional response. You stop this process and you stop the source of all your misery.”
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I will also add that as you deeper into your meditation, you will be able to observe subtle sensations within your energy field. They may be related to your present life and experiences, or they may be connected to your shen and related to other lifetimes. That covers not just 5 major organ shen but hundreds or may be thousands of others related to you.

As you follow this path, your life experiences transform into something deeper and more profound. Living in the ‘present’ as Bagua was trying to explain to you, doesn’t not require any effort or conscious choice. This is not a static condition and the word ‘present’ doesn’t describe the experience. You are not a passive observer- you act as you normally would and to the outside observer you may look like an ordinary person.

As you go through with your practices every day, your senses and abilities expand to the point you begin to observe things in everyday life you wouldn’t be able to observe before. Your mind becomes clear, your heart is free from cravings and your perception will also begin to have the same qualities. You start seeing things for what they are, without your past experiential garbage you normally bring to every encounter. You begin to see the forces underlying the events, the causes and effects and other subtle forces that guide the flow of our experiences. From that point on your acts bring wisdom and clarity in every situation and if you make a choice it will be based on a variety of subtle energy conditions you are able to perceive.

What happened to our nice discussions of internal martial arts, lately we so strongly disagree with each other, Metta?
We have different perceptions of things, that’s all. Nothing is wrong with it. And we will eventually talk about internal MA. Now it’s not a good time.

Metta (Loving kindness)

Max
real name

Hi Max,

What language is metta from? You can call me Fajin (something I do exceedingly well), name is just to ditinguish as long as it’s pleasant, not disrespectful.

It was an excellent response that you posted Max, I complement you. I know that Buddhists view that through 7 passions and 6 desires which are generated from the 5 sense and there is pain and suffering. In Daoism, as I’m sure an advanced adept such as yourself already knows, the 5 senses stem from it’s root, the 5 yin organs. The senses are connected to different parts of the brain, and the organs contol those parts of the brain. So, I think if you work on the 5 organs (inner smile), you will also work on the senses.

Eg. whe you see an attractive woman and you are filled with lust that will go through the eyes to the liver. Smile to the liver to release that emotional tension within you that is making your mind unstill. When one understands the root, he understands all of its blossoming. Going internal to external. Coming from Dr. Yang, Jwing Ming, Buddhists go external to internal while Daoists go internal to external. I think that this is an example of that, no?

You portrayed an excellent observation exercise of projecting the senses inward. Though, I prefer communicating to the organs, I think that it is more to the root. But thanks for opening me to new possibilities Max, I appreciate it.

Regards,
Fajin

>>How does sitting there and reciting a mantra accomplish the jing to qi translation better than literally steaming your sperm?<< I'm not trying to get into some kind of half-assed methodological argument! I only mean that proper involved use of the voice is a STRONG mover of 'chi'. It engages the entire body. The organs do respond. Even in the Taoist practice there are the healing sounds... very basic I know, but the principle can be carried much much further! One of the reasons I was not joining in on this one until now was that the practices I follow are entirely different from Taoism and Zen alike, so there is a strong chance that all this will just muddy the waters. One must note that, even with Taoism, there is more than just the alchemical approach! See for example the posts on Saso and the Celestial Masters, earlier on this board. I am not trying to argue that this or that is 'better' - just that when one is on such-and-such a path (and this is the point of alot of your discussion with Bagua) it is always tempting to assume that what is going on can be seen only THIS way - I prefer to enjoy the multiplicity of the ways in which 'it' can be seen going on. From the sound of it, doing two things enriches both. Where singing, chanting, and *mindful heartful* use of the voice are concerned, there is every reason for the vibrations to be immensely powerful and subtle, when the singer is aware of those subtleties. Sound and colour correspond. Vowels and consonants shaped in the body make geometrical patterns in what you are calling the 'shen', to which the elements closer to the physical can respond by sympathetic vibration. The energy movements of qigong, even of still practice too, could easily be regarded as, if you like, 'silent singing'. When you add the *physical* elements produced by the vibration of the body in singing/chanting - which include all the mysteries of breath of course as well - you certainly are engaging jing. Blues singers have big auras - they put out like torches, as a former teacher of mine once pointed out to me. This art certainly can be taken very far! I know you are not interested in this practice, so I won't go into any too many details. Just to give some examples - Franz Bardon's 'Key To The True Kabballah' describes a system of letters linked to sound, colour, part of body. These are bound into the soul and vibrated. I think I've mentioned this here before, but one (Chinese) Amazon reviewer of that book described it as 'a very high western qigong'. Epic poetry is written in rhytmic meter, whether Greek or Finnish or Indian etc. Pythagoras is said to have healed people by reading Homer to them - although it was chanting and not mere speaking. Recent scientific study backs him up! - see http://www.the-aps.org/press/journal/04/18.htm - article entitled "Reading Hexametric Rhyme Supports Cardiac Synchronization". [I am not certain how the rhythmic element operates in Chinese poetry] Please note the similarity in modal systems between Gregorian Chant and Indian Raga for example. Note the similarities between the ancient Celtic bards and the Aboriginal songlines. The recent Western alchemist, Fulcanelli, (rumoured to have become immortal in the 20th century, but this I most certainly cannot confirm!) prized gregorian chant very highly. I won't go into detail re the theories on use of sound in ancient Egypt, etc., but the more I investigate the possibilities of singing, syllabising, rhythm, and so on, the more I seem to discover useful things to me. As for 'converting kidney jing to chi', get into the front at a rock concert and observe! - sure the process is not under control, but it could be, with discipline and great attention. There is more out there than let-go vs. alchemise. If one works for you do it! >>Good day mate!<< Erm... you must be thinking of matblack. I'm not Australian. I'm a Londoner. We invented Australia you know. (just kidding just kidding just kidding!!!!) NN

Fajin,
What language is metta from?

It’s a Pali word. Read more here:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/buddharakkhita/wheel365.html

Yang, Jwing Ming, Buddhists go external to internal while Daoists go internal to external.

I would like to go deeper into description to clarify what Buddha taught (it’s one of many methods he taught, btw, with same underlying principles). The experiences of being ‘present’ I described before are the results of internal observations within the body during meditation.

First you observe the gross physical sensations, like heat, coldness, pleasure, pain, itching, etc. You observe them without discrimination or attaching judgment. If you feel pleasure, you just observe that part of the body and move on to the next. If you feel pain, you don’t wish for it to go away or miss the pleasurable feelings. Just observe and move forth. At times with those sensations you will relive the ‘past’ event in this life time. It will be clear to you like you were there, and you will see it with complete understanding of all sides of the story and all the karma related to it. You just observe without reacting.

Eventually after time all the gross sensations will go away and through your developed inner senses you will notice all the subtle sensations you never experienced before. The prolonged periods of bliss can follow. A lot of seekers get trapped by this. Just observe. Deep karmic experiences can come during that time. This life, other lives. When I say karmic experiences I’m talking about Shen and their influences that shape your destiny. Also, through all these experiences you undergo gradual states of Emptiness or mind and heart purification.

There is no end to the process. As you go deeper into stillness, the deepest layers of your Karma/Shen are being revealed. Observe. The day may come when you have no more karma left- no more karmically charged Shen strands. You become a fully realized being. With no more karma being created because your acts are in complete synchronicity and the flow of Tao, and with no more past Karma needed to be resolved, there is only one thing to do- help others to do the same.

There many old stories of Taoist Immortals and Enlightened Buddhists monks meeting each other and respectfully acknowledging each other’s spiritual development. But times changed.

Just a question Max. If you feel like expressing your awareness in this method, feel free to let me and others know. I’m just wondering how long have you been observing and how deep in your observation are you? This is an interesting method, I will hold on to this in my memory for now.

Fajin

Hello Bagua,

No hard feelings if I said anything offensive before. Let’s forget it and wait for Michael to begin round 5. Now back to you.

>>Is the steaming process in lessor kan and li something you create, that it does not exist or does it already exist?<< **You have an inner desire to create, a natural tendency for all humans to do this as an expression of free will. If it is in your intent to center your awareness in your personal space then you do it, if it is your intent to walk a thousand miles you do it, you fulfill these inner desires. In this case, I intend to steam my sperm, so then that is what I will do. But I don't know how? That is why the Daoist masters have formulated a method to do it, just as a guide instructs you how to build a ping pong table, you follow the guide step by step and you accomplish your desire to build that table. So too, with steaming your sperm, you follow the method and do it. The Daoist masters have formulated an excellent way for the jing to qi translation, by steaming the sperm at jing-gong (sperm palace). You can also translate jing to qi by abdominal breathing with awareness at the dantian location. This converts jing into qi as well. The steaming process is another method. Asking wether the steaming process exists is like asking wether one can circulate qi in the microcosmic orbit with his mind. If you are able to do it, then it exists. The Daoist masters have found an efficient way of balancing the 12 primary organ meridians, by first filling the conception/functional vessel and governing/governor vessel with qi, then it will spread out to fill the organ meridians. Just as they found an effective method of converting jing to qi, by steaming it and creating a vapour. Like I said, there are many ways of filling the 12 organ meridians or converting jing into qi, but the Daoist use the most efficient ones; that is, opening the microcosmic orbit and kan and li methods. I hope that this answers your question without further argument, Bagua. Metta to you, Fajin

>>To me, these formulas is just being aware of what already exsits, this awareness or concentration multiples the intensity, if you prefer to call it building up, collecting, gathering. The alchemy is being aware of things that already exists, which changes awareness or consciousness. the formula tells you to run thru patterns that exist in the bosy and around us, its an intense state of awarenss and concsiousness, if you prefer to call it higher levels. It being aware of what already exists, like a dimond in the rough.<< **Are you saying that a pearl fused with of our negative emotional energy is circulating in the orbit too, does this naturally happen? Do we also have whole body orgasms naturally in sex, does that also happen? Or do we need to create a pearl with emotional energy, and we need to manually contract our tailbone-anal muscles prior to orgasm? I'd like to hear how you can be aware of these things, Bagua, or does this require a concsious act of the self in it's effort to manifest itself into reality? Regards, Fajin