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March 17, 2006 at 12:23 am #11540FajinParticipant
Yes, it is a normal process in your body, Bagua. I already said that, just as the microcosmic orbit is also a process in your body. Now can you answer my question about pearls and orgasms, in my reply please.
Fajin
March 17, 2006 at 12:42 am #11542baguaParticipantHi Fajin:
Pearls are creations, a method manufactured.
The reason I want people to know that “Steaming” is a normal process in the body is they do not mistakenly believe tao alchemy creates this, healthy living, exercise, meditation, sound, mantra, chanting, (michael has these chanting of vowels/sounds), and Chia chants the trigrams of the ba gua, all enhance the steaming process, tai ji does too. And taoist have lots of invications.
The steam has a natural path and transformation process. Formulas play with these natural processes, they may or may not cause the result that is claimed, much more is involved in this, like maturity, living the adivise of tao te ching, following this advice causes alchemical change.
Cultivating sexual abilities can be fun and enjoyable, has little to do with spirual realization.
bagua
March 17, 2006 at 12:56 am #11544FajinParticipantBagua,
Let’s take it from the top.
>>Pearls are creations, a method manufactured.<< *So, alchemical work is creation. Though, I do not know yet exactly what the kan and li practices have in store, I don't think that the whole formula is just an acceleration of the natural process. Although, I do agree with you, as alchemy does speed human evolution. If you agree with me that inner alchemy is not just awareness of natural processes, as in maunfacturing a pearl, then you would also agree with me that it isn't just living life naturally, there's more to it than being aware of the natural process. Hope this speeds the process of inner realization for you! Metta to you, Fajin
March 17, 2006 at 1:22 am #11546baguaParticipantHi Fajin:
You are amazing!
Your misintepretation of my statements is a high form of alchemy, changing and transforming them in an instant.
I have a very open mind to all spiritual traditons and believe each has the same realization as its goal, for me even the Tao Alchemical formulas are really about “restoring” one to that normal condition, isn’t this what Yin-Yand is about, not creating something new, but I can understand how one can confuse the two.
bagua
March 17, 2006 at 1:48 am #11548FajinParticipantI don’t think I misinterpreted you, maybe I was unclear in my message…anyway. Let’s just wait for round 5, OK? I’ll take new answer as OK. I think we could both use a break until Monday.
Fajin
March 17, 2006 at 1:49 am #11550FajinParticipantSorry, not new answer, I meant no answer as OK.
March 17, 2006 at 1:50 am #11552baguaParticipantGood idea. But will not ba available to April.
Enjoy.
bagua
March 17, 2006 at 2:19 am #11554FajinParticipantMarch 19, 2006 at 3:35 am #11556singing oceanParticipant“They don’t have fancy descriptions and claims.”
Um, I seem to remember a number of posts back “Cessation” put a version of the diamond sutra on the board that was accompanied by a list of promised attainable “superpowers” like walking through walls:
“[5] He wields manifold supranormal powers. Having been one he becomes many; having been many he becomes one. He appears. He vanishes. He goes unimpeded through walls, ramparts, & mountains as if through space. He dives in & out of the earth as if it were water. He walks on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting crosslegged he flies through the air like a winged bird. With his hand he touches & strokes even the sun & moon, so mighty & powerful. He exercises influence with his body even as far as the Brahma worlds.”
March 20, 2006 at 1:52 am #11558MaxParticipantIs it a description of a state of being or a description of what will happen if you practice a method? In general, Zen masters never talk about those things even though they may have those kind of abilities. But I understand what you are trying to say.
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