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Ocean,
Dr. Jwing, Ming Yang also says that innate is another way to desrcibe the qi or jing we were born with, yes yuan jing and qi. Different nei dan schools so it is difficult to understand, I agree.
The main focus of Liang’s school seems to be working with the collection of the Earth and Heaven Spirits or Hun and Po and then combining them into Original Spirit. Then leading Original Spirit out of the body into the Astral Planes to absorb Wisdom.
Michael’s approach follows the Dao better as it is more water approach or internal to external. It goes deeper and harmonizes the five shen like you said. I agree this is better, it works with wuxing. Liang’s approach is more “in-your-head” like Chia’s except he does not use Five Shen theory.
Fajin
I thought from a buddhist point of view that being in the physical realm caused the mind to have attachments to impermanent objects, and attachments caused reincarnation; so if one reincarnates in the physical realm without mind attachments, then there is not suffering from a buddhist point of view?
But is it possible to reincarnate or, to exist in the physical realm if one has no mental attachments (two questions)?
I think that prenatal Jing and Qi of the pure virtue qualities refers to the five phase aspects, and is different from Yuan Qi and Jing which can only be neutral and not polarized into the five phases. Although the pure, prenatal virtue qualities have harmonized the yin and yang aspects of their conditioned manifestation, and are definitely closer to the neutral state.
I would think of them as more pure unconditioned qualities, but still not the yuan jing, qi and shen.
Ocean,
That is what Buddhists believe, that because of attachments, they continue to reincarnate.
I guess Buddhists attempt to stop reincarnation by attaining Buddhahood. I think that Buddhist cultivation aims at attaining Buddhahood, or enlightenment which allows one to be free of attachments. A Buddha is free from attachments and the cycle of karma. Am I on the mark Max?
Fajin
You refer to yuan as meaning neutral only. Yuan means original. Two came from one. It means original but is also neutral. Michael’s methods are very different from qigong society today. They use yuan to mean prenatal.
Just for the record, I know a Buddhist teacher, not tantric, who works entirely through the body.
Does jing-chi-shen-wu transformation, painstakingly, one knot at a time, and emphasises to his students that all life and nourishment for us comes from the earth.
So, not exactly ignoring half of existence. Fully aware of Taoist practices, finds them a bit childish.
So, Michael, please allow room in your generalisations for Buddhists who are quite capable of honouring all of creation, but still don’t share your opinion, which is all it is, of how to respond to being here.
You’ll have to find some other reason why they’re wrong. 🙂
Does Yuan mean passive, no action, empty, or is it active like yin, what does it do?
You refer to yuan as meaning neutral only. Yuan means original. Two came from one. It means original but is also neutral. Michael’s methods are very different from qigong society today. They use yuan to mean prenatal.
They want to use the best od Taosim, from any time from, as it evolved, eliminate all distortions, but they do not do the same for buddhism, they take the most extreme positons and then present it as if it buddhism. it would be like me using zang da linf, the pope of religious taoism as the spokeman for all taoists. Its a disguine arguement and a waste of lots of time.
I thought you didn’t want to continue discussing with me. What a surprise.
An advanced adept such as yourself, Bagua, should know what yuan means.
>>Does Yuan mean passive, no action, empty, or is it active like yin, what does it do?<<
*Yin is passive, yang is active.
Yin is empty, yang is full.Yuan is between this and that. It is sushumna nadi between ida and pingala. Or chong between ren and du. Or neutron between proton or electron. Or central nervous system between parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. Middle between left and right. Androgynous between male and female. It is the equilibrium between both polarities. Does a neutron atom have a charge? Does it have mass? Yes. It is not nothing. It does not imply wu-wei, if that is what you are thinking.
Fajin
*I thought you didn’t want to continue discussing with me. What a surprise.
An advanced adept such as yourself, Bagua, should know what yuan means.
>>Does Yuan mean passive, no action, empty, or is it active like yin, what does it do?<<
*Yin is passive, yang is active.
Yin is empty, yang is full.Yuan is between this and that. It is sushumna nadi between ida and pingala. Or chong between ren and du. Or neutron between proton or electron. Or central nervous system between parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. Middle between left and right. Androgynous between male and female. It is the equilibrium between both polarities. Does a neutron in an atom have a charge? Does it have mass? Yes. It is not nothing. It does not imply wu-wei, if that is what you are thinking.
Fajin
Hi fajin:
fajin says this:
*I thought you didn’t want to continue discussing with me. What a surprise.
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I try to be extra nice with you, but you are something. I may say there is no point in continuing a particular dialogue, not ending discussion for ever.Im closing in on things i think are important, so if I ask questions I appreciate you staying on point and not digression to much, if possible.
thanks sifu Fajin,
bagua
Faj
Yes. It is not nothing. It does not imply wu-wei, if that is what you are thinking.
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There is nothing that has nothing.
Yuan has nothing? Than how can it be original, original implies something.Liang’s and Chia’s approach has lots of practice, so its not all in the head.
Michael’s presenation is lots in the head, it has practice too.
You talk alot of theory, I can say you are very intellectual and lots in the head too.
bagua
>>thanks sifu Fajin<<
*I am flattered that you call me Sifu. The thing about discussions is that they are not done face to face and would be very different if they were face to face. I try to be extra nice to you to, I just misunderstood you.
>>There is nothing that has nothing.
Yuan has nothing? Than how can it be original, original implies something.<<*I said yuan is NOT nothing. If yuan is NOT nothing, than it IS something. You misunderstood me. Yuan translates to original, that is the translation, it is something. Now we understand each other.
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