February 2, 2008 at 3:05 pm #27362
This from Taobums about David Shen incorporated..same Shit different year…
Sorry for maybe starting a flame war the first thing I do but I believe this is of utmost importance. It is the reason why I joined, to be able to post about the things I have read here that I believe should be straightened out once and for all.
There’s a relatively new movement around, the people in it make a lot of claims. In almost every post I have seen claims that they are the most authentic, the “only way”, that they are following the “old style” where secrecy is part of that style, and where sharing means “I share the very basics that aren’t even needed, with you, for 3000 USD, in a year you will have to spend 3000 more to get more basics that you don’t need”. All while implying this system is what gives the best results and that “you need this”.
I have been a member in their forum, quietly observing what’s happening.
Soon my membership there is ended because they will now charge 250 USD to allow you to even be in the forum as a spectator. All you can do as a spectator is to get news updates regarding training.
All this is done in the light of “we are just trying to keep the unserious people out”.
Have you seen the double morals of a televangelist? They have fortresses and private jetplanes etc, all in the “name of the lord”. It all reminds me of this very thing.
They do have very nice tactics – I have seen several people banned for only speaking their mind and raising perfectly same questions. Why? Well, everytime someone is a money-threat to them, they get kicked out immediately.
The tactics? Oh how can I put them all down from just my memory….
-If you teach others you will hurt people and get bad karma. We have immortals on our side (we’ll see how immortal they are in 50-70 years) that will frown upon you if you don’t follow “our ways”.
-The system you practise now will give you kidney problems at best, or even kill you.
-The system you practise now doesn’t give you anything, perhaps it’s even dangerous.
-If you don’t have a real teacher to give you an initiation you can forget about it all. (Nonsense, who initiated the first ones from the beginning? It’s like reiki – who needs initiation to be able to heal? NO ONE). Surely a healer can help with blockages and such, but that’s all there is to “initiation”.
-A representative of this group will soon post in this thread stating that I am making a fool out of myself, that I am endangering the relationship between the west and the east – just to make all the students worried that they might get all the teachings and become enlightened or get super immortal powers. This is the worst tactic of them all, because it turns people against eachother because of EGO. This is not only evil, it is NEFARIOUS.
-The china trip is 7200$ but what David didn’t tell some of the students is that they needed to pay even more to get initiation/healing/treatment from D’s alleged master in China, otherwise the practise would not be as useful or maybe even “useless”. (This involves killing big animals to steal their life force/chi).
-In the forum they go about the teachings as “it’s now or never” “buy it now or the prices may go up soon” “take the deal now as Dr D has offered to teach this now but may not later”. It’s like a warehouse with special-ultra-limited-offers, buy now while you still can!
Now, do this system have something to teach? Sure it does, but it’s far from secret and exclusive knowledge.
And you know what the best part is? Groups will form where people send money to one person and they share within the group. Wouldn’t you say this is karma in a direct way? Funny how it works, isn’t it?
Anyways, I wish D.V. would see what he’s really doing here. He is not playing with respect to the old ways, the old ways were never meant to be this prostituted, nor secret like they all claim. In fact, this should be more of a open and welcomming community, which of course carefully screen their students to help them with their progress. It’s not about being in the center of things and being “authorities” of who gets to teach and where only rich people can afford the teachings. This is what they have reduced theh teachings to and it is NOT honorable in the “old ways” as they so proudly say all the time.
This is another thing – how can David help his students with energy blockages and such that they say may arise from practise? He lives in China. The student/master relationship is one of strong bonds and friendship – and as he’s the only representative that will teach these methods (according to them) – how can he have time to offer help to his students and screen their progress? No, you will have to pay 3000 USD in order to get to the next course and there he may be able to work with you.
Of course, being the only with authority to teach this, as D claims, is only a way to make sure no one makes the big bucks out of this teaching. It’s not about helping others to make the world a better place, even if this behaviour is hidden with fancy words and xing pling plong fang gong jong-techniques to hide what’s really going on.
Do I dislike them? No. They have given into their egoistic side, it happens to the best of us. We should always be aware of this side of ourselves, the side that wants authority, power, admiration, etc. If we don’t, these aspects that we all have will take over. Make no mistake about it. Even a high level practioner has to beware of this, no matter what level.
Of course, as I pointed out, this post will not be seen for what it is – one that is made from a pure intention of good will for each and everyone. I have a lot of respect for the masters and schools in china. But spirituality is altruistic in nature, not for the rich only. Ever heard of the stories of the great masters that started out very poor but still became one of the most powerful people around?
My dear dear friends, you are all part of god and we are all in this together. Everyone who does not lead astray and trust that their own path will lead them to liberation will rely on their own confidence that this can be achieved by anyone who has the right determination and dedication. You don’t need to spend 50000$ to realize this, but it’s hard to be confident at times. This leads to your mind seeking easier and “more correct” ways. There are no easy ways, dedication is what pays off. Start meditation today, learn how to breath, take it easy and don’t strain your legs too much, stretch, read up on subjects, find an altruistic teacher. There’s many books around that describe high level practises (Six yogas of naropa, clear light of bliss, Mahamudra, etc). You have resources around you, realize that and make good use of them. Don’t look at people who say “our way is the only way” – when you meet such people, run as fast as you can!
Of course, the representative will point out that I am wrong in this, but anyone who has seen both his and the posts from this group will know what I am talking about. The slandering of all the others paths and then the double sided saying that the people who don’t agree are making the situation between east and west more tense, when in fact they themselves are going about these teachings in a very disrespectful way – not only for slandering and infecting the community (which they say they want to avoid), but for prostituting these teachings to an insane degree.
Another funny thing is that both the “Xing Shen Zhuang” instructor in Denmark and in Sweden also teach “Healing tao”, when this system is so heavily bashed. Oh yes, I have done my research.
Of course the group I am talking about is the “http://www.traditionaltao.com/” group.
Good resources for your consideration (not personally sponsoring these but I want to share resources):
http://www.robertpeng.com/robert_peng.html (also “the real deal”)
http://www.chikung-unlimited.com/Chakra-Meditation.html (good and cheap courses, looks like a very altruistic and good-willed teacher).
http://www.alchemylab.com/golden_flower.htm (this I find important and enlightening)
There’s much more of course, it is my hope that this post will reach out to as many as possible because I believe what is being done is against the spirit of the old teachings and honorable ways.
Of course I will be bashed, threatened, etc… but this post is because I do love you all, and I do want everyone to experience what a wonderful world we live in, full of mysteries to discover.
Thanks for reading,
Keys: Traditional tao, Xing Shen Zhuang, Sheng Zheng Gong, Foundation Training ForumFebruary 5, 2008 at 10:02 am #27363
to observe the change in time
left (water of life video)
middle (when his site was still on, on wayback)
right (new ventures http://www.samuiexpress.net/?q=node/397)February 5, 2008 at 10:33 am #27365
Sounds like a guy I met in China wit the initials PR. and thats all i’m sayin…
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