February 3, 2006 at 4:38 pm #10226
This research raises interesting questions about what exact effect on human hormone production do Taoist sexual practices have. Of course, just because a scientist claims to have found the controlling molecule doesn’t mean its true.
SEX CHEMISTRY ‘LASTS TWO YEARS’
February 1, 2006
Couples should not worry when the first flush of passion dims — scientists
have identified the hormone changes which cause the switch from lust to
A team from the University of Pisa in Italy found the bodily chemistry which
makes people sexually attractive to new partners lasts, at most, two years.
When couples move into a “stable relationship” phase, other hormones take
over, Chemistry World reports.
But one psychologist warned the hormone shift is wrongly seen as negative.
Dr Petra Boynton, of the British Psychological Society, said there was a
danger people might feel they should take hormone supplements to make them
feel the initial rush of lust once more.
The Italian researchers tested the levels of the hormones called neutrophins
in the blood of volunteers who were rated on a passionate love scale.
Levels of these chemical messengers were much higher in those who were in
the early stages of romance.
Testosterone was also found to increase in love-struck women, but to reduce
in men when they are in love.
But in people who had been with their partners for between one and two years
these so-called “love molecules” had gone, even though the relationship had
The scientists found that the lust molecule was replaced by the so-called
“cuddle hormone” — oxytocin — in couples who had been together for several
Oxytocin, is a chemical that induces labour and milk-production in new and
Donatella Marazziti, who led the research team, said: “If lovers swear their
feelings to be ever-lasting, the hormones tell a different story.”
Similar research conducted by Enzo Emanuele at the University of Pavia found
that levels of a chemical messenger called nerve growth factor (NGF)
increased with romantic intensity.
After one to two years, NGF levels had reduced to normal.
‘Real Cupid’s arrows’
The researchers said: “Whether more nerve growth is needed in the early
stage of romance because of all the new experiences that are engraved into
the brain, or whether it has a second, as yet unknown function in the
chemistry of love, remains to be explored.”
Michael Gross, a bio-chemist and science writer who has studied the latest
findings, said: “It shows that different hormones are present in the blood
when people are acutely in love while there is no evidence of the same
hormones in people who have been in a stable relationship for many years.
“In fact the love molecules can disappear as early as 12 months after a
relationship has started to be replaced by another chemical glue that keeps
He added: “To any romantically inclined chemist, it should be deeply
satisfying to be able to prove that chemical messengers communicate romantic
feeling between humans.”
“It may be the only thing that science can offer as a real-world analogy to
But Dr Boynton said: “This feeds into a 1970s view that when you meet it’s
all sparky, and then it’s a downward trajectory to cuddles — which is seen
as a negative.
“It is suggesting that what happens first is the best bit — and that isn’t
She added: “I’m concerned that, having identified these hormones, there will
be some move to suggest replacements to recreate the early passion.”
————February 5, 2006 at 12:48 am #10227
The search for that sexual high can be likened to the crack addicts search for their continuous high. Not all HIGHS are healthy for one nor should they be lusted after. I find that sexual alchemy in taoism plays way too important of a role in the changes that are deemed necessary for immortalism. That is a bunch of crock which I liken to the type of crockery that has played out in religions for the past hundreds of years to control the masses. Seems to be running full strength ahead by males … for the fullfillment of their sexual fantasies and that trigger point of lust. If one stimulants oneself and receives a high the most natural inclination would be to want another one of those please. And then another and another and another. Maybe try a little something else for a higher high and a little bit more oommph please. And so on and so on. I think that as time passes by more people will come to realize that the way to nlightenment DOES NOT have to be thru the sexual chemical process. I believe this way to be a branch off of the path. Maybe a nice branch for some but it is not THE way, definately not THE ONLY way. Just a feel good way. Reminds me of the informtion someone gave here about cutting the bottom of one’s tongue so you could tickle your pineal gland with your tongue. DUH. Supposed to awaken one, either that or kill you I guess. Believe it or not people, we are all being “awakened” by changes in the earth’s polarity and energetic fields that had begun many years ago and was foreseen hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years ago, probably planned for ages. So one can sweat it or just smile and ride it. All you really have to do is a nice set of energy raising qigong, a nice smile and a good open heart. Have sex with your sweety and please each other. Love yourself and kids. And ride the wave. Help others ride it also without hurting themselves. Like hanging bricks from your testicles …. OUCH!!
I plan to have sex till I die, to hell with holding whatever, screw that.
Jing this or whatever. You know if we weren;t supposed to ejaculte or cum we wouldn’t have been born with the way and knowhow of pleasure and how to do that or you guys would’ve been born with gunny sacks between your legs instead of balls.
Take this idea also, … at a “new age” church, everyone sings lots, at this one they did, they get really excited, start waving their hands, chanting, singing the same thing over and over again. I sat and watched them. They worked themselves into a frenzy, some released pentup emotions and cried. Others went into a “state”. How they did it was not a big intellectual mystery. They hyperventilated themselves. Their brain chemistry changed and things they did not experience before happened. You get a lot of people doing this and the mass of it all creates “happenings”, shifts in responses of bodies or sight. It is not phony, it happens for a reason … but the way it happens is from lack of oxygen or misplaced oxygen. What happens next isn’t fake. But it allows for energetic shifts. You see this happen in some of the point release practices done or I did one once where you breath in, breath in, breath in,…..a coach helps you,until you just don’t breath anymore and you drift away. You put yourself into a state thru breathe. This allows the body to respond to needs that it couldn’t respond to before because the mind got in the way. But really have you “gone” anywhere. Or is it just the chemical change that makes you believe you have. Was this the only way that the body could heal itself? Definately not, just one way. In the sexual alchemy of pleasure I believe it begins to act like a drug. The sensation does. But really does it truly do anything or is it just a “body reaction”. There are meditation junkies, pleasure junkies, sex junkies, and drug junkies and others … food junkies or addicts. The trick is to balance it all not to have it control you. I would feel that the drift here and with Michael Winn is a little more horny than necessary. I am thinking it is the time of year. A person I knew used to go a little screwy too when he went thru certain stages of the year. I swear that sometimes he wanted to screw anything and everything. Because of the lack of doing so for periods of time I believe. Strengthening of
power I guess. Whatever, it doesn’t matter but I truly, truly believe it is not necessary. All of the sexual taoist practices. I don’t know them all, so I cannot be against them however I think they are given too much credit.
The article that precedes this is just one on body response. Research can say whatever the author wants it to. I don’t much take stalk in much research anymore. However it is of interest.
Rainbows and Happy Cupid’s Day.February 5, 2006 at 8:43 pm #10229
Geez, Rainbow Bare-it-All,
I was just about to invite you to join our Taoist cosmic-sex club….
but it sounds like you have already declined.
Anyway, we’ll still manage to enjoy ourselves,
but it won’t be as much fun without you.
It seems you have some funny ideas about what Taoist sexual practices lead to.
Mostly we hook our yin-yang up to the sun and moon, and let it rip for a night and a day.
Then we fall down to earth, and pant, and think about having sex with a Star. Or Star-let, if she will let us.
The biggest thrill is when you manage to get into a Black Hole. It is supposed to be so intense, some guys just die there.
Others pop out of the Black Hole and claim to be re-born in a Big Bang.
Are you sure you won’t come and play?
Hope this doesn’t reveal what I am really horny for…..more Tao Wow!
ps. Let’s talk again on Valentine’s Day. it could just be a mood thing.February 6, 2006 at 4:48 am #10231
LOL! one of the funniest damn things i’ve read here!February 6, 2006 at 11:22 am #10233
Hey Rainbow, this whole universe is one big orgasm, hard to escape from that, better to enjoy it fully.
I once had a detached sexual adventure with a taoist practitioner, which was one of the best and hardest lessons I learned. We had the most intimate energy flowing and physical contact but no intercourse in respect for our partners. Hard to joggle what is ‘right and wrong’ at such moments…yep I am not a saint, just very human. And I have no problem being open about that.
Anyway we had three heavenly days, that was the best part and guess, although we promised to keep it detached like it was, my female nature started to hunger, my emotions swept and I messed it REALLY bad. That is how I came in contact with my deepest dark side and it was horrible to watch myself. But it was too late – the damage was not to be repared. I won and I lost. It was the best thing that could happen, I learned very hard how attachment can destroy. I only can guess how many sorry’s I repeated but the memory and the experience of how it can be is mine for ever. And you know Rainbow, it is heaven on earth. And you know I can have that kind of sex with lots of men if they are on that same ‘frequency’. I don’t because it is too tricky, we are still humans, but I know it can be and maybe who knows… Or maybe I skip the male-female step. From there it is just one step higher on the stair to have sex with this whole planet, this universe… this is my aim in this life.February 6, 2006 at 12:46 pm #10235
looks like I hit a sore spot with you though – which means maybe your sign on is phony.
I still stand by my point of view although yours seems to be a bit jaded.
It is always great to flush out a weasel.
Have fun!!February 6, 2006 at 4:08 pm #10237
The whole thing is just a barrell of monkeys.
I think I will save it.February 6, 2006 at 4:23 pm #10239
Whatever turns you on Wendy girl. Have a big orgasm with this earth and throw in a few other planets also. Whatever turns your crank.
I really don’t particularly care what turns you on or anyone else here actually. What turns me on is my business and my partner(s). See how one (s) gets you wondering whether I have one or more. HA, HA.
Sorry babe, morality and my integrity are quite high up there.
I have nothing against consenting adults doing whatever they want as long as they don’t hurt the innocent and that is just my concern. Don’t screw up the innocent in your fantasies.
Have funFebruary 7, 2006 at 8:03 am #10241
How do you define ‘innocense’?
Nearly nobody on this planet is innocent – pure
We all are born programmed.
Children are programmed to ^look^ innocent because they need protection and affection for their growth.
Those without a defined programming don^t last long on this planet, they are merely a channel, a message for others.
We are here to learn, to make mistakes and learn from those errors… playing the role of the innocent is lying to oneself and the other.
We all have the taste of it but we are not otherwise we were not on this planet but sure on a nice star…smiling
but I think we are talking about different things, my guess, so please define innocense as you feel it.February 7, 2006 at 9:08 am #10243
>How do you define ‘innocense’?
wow – that’s *exactly* what I thought when i read the previous post… although decided to stay quiet to keep the can of worms tightly shut! 😀February 9, 2006 at 10:43 am #10245
Deinition of innocense and every other word/meaning is always different from oneperson to the next due to DNA and programming and where one lives and culture, etc., etc., etc., and you can go all the way out there if you like. Universal orgasms, 14 levels of heaven, whatever! but we live here day to day.
We all make mistakes we all learn. However to take advanatage of a person’s naivity to gain for one own’s self, whether that naive person is 2, 10, or 50 is wrong. And that is all there is to it. Filling people’s heads with do this and do that to make money and make one’s self a powerhouse is WRONG.
There is a lot of things we do and do not know. My philosophy is do the best you can, cut the bull shit, quit with the fancy talk and just try to live life as well as you can. Help yourself, help others.
The other stuff, it is all a preoccupation. And so is this discussion.
And it isn’t necessary.
A lot of this isn’t. If it were then you would only be getting enlightened people who practice Michael Winn’s stuff, or enlightened people who are only Buddhist, or only Taoist. Like come on.
Open up a little. Things here should be to help not sway and definately not influence and not manipulate. this is only a small piece of what is out there – this forum. It can help others or it can hinder them.
Guess that is your guy’s choice.February 12, 2006 at 9:37 am #10247
Bear it’s you who are jaded. NN
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