April 5, 2010 at 12:51 pm #33830
Pardon me if this topic has already been considered exhausted previously.
I did a search on this forum for “retention” and found quite a few hits which I read through. Still, I have a few questions.
Does anyone know if Master Chia is still practicing semen retention and, if so, what is the longest period he has gone without ejaculation? Does Michael Winn practice semen retention for long periods of time? Are there other folks on this forum who are practicing or have practiced semen retention for long periods of time? I am interested in getting feedback from or comparing notes with any such people. 🙂
Steven has a mantra, which I love — ENJOY THE PROCESS! Well I certainly am enjoying semen retention. It has been wonderful for me, so far (74 days).
My retention history is at the link at the bottom of this post and here is an update which I wrote last week.
Semen retention has become a lot more challenging lately, due to yin influences. As of today, March 29, 2010, I have been retaining semen for 68 days. It had become somewhat of a habit for me to keep to myself more and more in recent months.
This hermit leaning had actually been growing for a number of years. Drinking alcohol was supposed to help me be more outgoing and it did to some degree. Now the Tao is helping me turn my life around — no more drinking and, because of semen retention, the chi is bursting out the seams. The bountiful chi has been helping me be more outgoing and I have been getting out a little bit more.
More importantly, I have gained confidence about being able to continue retaining my semen (even with a partner) and so I am starting to meet women again. The other evening I met a gorgeous young female who caught my eye at the outdoor market.
Thanks to the raging chi, we had a magical moment. Me made eye contact and big smiles spontaneously sprang to both our faces. We chatted in Thai for a moment and even had a couple of laughs. Usually the only laughs I get when I speak Thai is from people laughing at me. This little honey was definitely laughing with me.
I got her phone number and we had our first date with her little sister as chaperon, last night. The chaperon thing is pretty normal for the first few dates, here in northern Thailand. It was extremely intense sitting with these two gorgeous ladies, with the chi raging through my system.
I woke this morning with a fat, rock-hard erection, which is not unusual of late. What is unusual is that I have indulged in self-pleasuring several times today. Generally, I have only been inclined to self-pleasure a few times a week. After that exciting experience, though, the ching is really roiling. I love it. I have had so many intense orgasms today. I could not even begin to try to count.
Right now, I feel so blissful and joyful. Who knew that a person could feel so friggin’ good from self-pleasuring. My brain is submerged in a nice, warm, tingly electrical bath of stimulating chi. I feel on top of the world. What a wonderful feeling! Thank you SOOOO MUCH, Grand Master Chia!
If I take it slowly and stay focused, I think I am ready for dual cultivation. That will really be a new challenge.
I hope everyone else is ENJOYING their Taoist practices as much as I am enjoying mine. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂April 5, 2010 at 7:42 pm #33831April 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm #33833
It’s no big deal; at least it’s on the New Forum where
people can see it . . .
But screw up again, and we castrate you–eliminating the
need for Semen Retention 😉
Just kidding, buddy 🙂
Have fun with life,
StevenApril 5, 2010 at 8:38 pm #33835April 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm #33837
>>>Does anyone know if Master Chia is still practicing
>>>semen retention and, if so, what is the longest period
>>>he has gone without ejaculation?
>>>Does Michael Winn practice semen retention for
>>>long periods of time?
I personally do not know, but you could always e-mail Michael
or M. Chia directly and ask . . . you might get a response.
>>>Are there other folks on this forum who are practicing
>>>or have practiced semen retention for long periods of time?
You’ll have to see if anyone responds.
As for me, I personally DO NOT.
Some things to mention about that:
1. If you are sufficiently skilled, by doing HL techniques
you can remove much of the sexual energy from the ejaculate
before you release. Then if you do release, the loss is
minimized, akin to “shooting blanks”, i.e. not as big a deal.
2. If you do release, and you are still paranoid about loss,
some practitioners (which I’ll keep anonymous) have let me
know about many different things that they’ve done with
the ejaculate rather than throw it out. Obviously this
depends greatly on your personal “ick” factor, LOL. But
I have reports of people a) reconsuming it to recapture
some of the remaining loss, b) using it as a “magical elixir”
in various “Taoist magical ceremonies”, c) using it to anoint
pendants and charms to increase their charge, d) using it as
an ingredient to make supercharged talismans, etc., e) others
I’m forgetting at the moment, but I think you get the idea.
3. There is some good that can come from release. Biologically,
it provides a prostate flush–gets rid of old aging prostate fluid
that your body is storing for example . . . helps decrease
prostate irritation from this stagnating fluid.
4. If you are in a loving relationship with someone, occasional
release can be considered a “wonderful gift” that you are giving
to your partner.
PERSONALLY, I do not do long-term semen retention, in part because
of my belief in #1 and #3 above, as well as “my gut feeling” that
extremist practices may not be wise.
However, I say this based on what I feel is right for me, and not for others.
If it feels right to you, knock yourself out and keep doing it!
Everyone is different, and everyone’s circumstances are different.
M. Chia spent most of his earlier life (and continues to do so
through his constant workshops) practicing; thus, it’s probably a
reasonable practice for him to do.
For me, being a graduate student, I
can really only afford to practice 1.5-2 hours a day max with
various Healing Tao practices–as such, long-term semen retention
for me is not sustainable; this is especially even more so,
since my chart consists almost solely of Water and Wood!!
Hence, in my situation, if I try long-term semen retention,
eventually the increased feeling of energy and greatness starts
getting counteracted by feeling unbalanced, feeling in overdrive,
and having my attention so consumed by sexual thought (and it
preoccupies my thoughts a lot anyway) that I literally can
not get any work done whatsoever, i.e. it’s not practical.
I realize intuitively that I could balance myself out and
capitalize on the increased energy if I increased my personal
practice level to around a 5-6 hour per day commitment which
I do do easily during hermit retreats; but when I’m in school,
I’m not in a position where I can do that right now. So for
me, long-term retention is an “extremist” practice.
But again, that’s not to say that it might not be right for
someone else. Again, if it feels right to you, by all means
keep doing it.
My approach is one of moderation, since it should also
be obvious that daily or regular ejaculation is excessive
and will weaken your lifeforce considerably.
So what seems to work the best for me is to refrain
from ejaculation for shorter periods, using sexual practice
to help with that and use the practice to get increased
energy, but only for shorter periods. Then, at some
point, I feel the “time is right” for release. Then I
do sexual practice to remove a good percentage of sexual
charge from my ejaculate, and then let go.
Time frame for me is about 1-2 weeks, which might not
seem like a lot, but considering that without employing
any practice or discipline I’d be releasing daily/every
other day, I consider it a win–it feels like a good
balance point between the two extremes.
Also, I should say that the time frame depends greatly
on the time of year. In the dead of winter, I can extend
the time frame longer without much difficulty. Late
spring/early summer, I feel more revved up and I can’t
manage (practically) as long.
This doesn’t really address your questions, as they were
posed for long-term retainers (which doesn’t apply to me),
but thought I’d add my two cents, nonetheless.
StevenApril 9, 2010 at 10:59 am #33839
So, as the title says, what would be the best time time of the Lunar cycle to ”flush the prostate” but keep the qi.
Somewhere around full moon, I guess, when qi should be up anyway and the loss would be the least…
But, again, if you would want to have some strong practice around that time (when qi is rising naturally), you might not want to let it go at that particular moment.
That is, of course, if one releases about once in a month.April 9, 2010 at 11:33 am #33841
I have done 100 days wihout ejaculation 3 times.
I will write more about it later. No time for the moment.
But certainly there are many interesting effects and changes I have noticed.
I’ll be back
S DApril 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm #33843
If you wanted to harmonize with lunar/solar cycles, full
moon=maximum light=maximum yang . . .
Optimal time would be high noon at full moon time, since
things are already at an extreme expansion anyway.
However, unless you were on a once per month release pattern,
and it seemed to line up pretty well, I wouldn’t
worry too much about it.
SApril 9, 2010 at 8:50 pm #33845
Thank you, Steven. As usual, your two cents is solid copper, not the junk metal that is used these days.
Your perspective gives me useful food for thought, especially regarding what to do when and if I decide to ejaculate again.
As you said, people differ and circumstances differ. It has been so wonderful for me and feels so perfect for me, that I will continue unless conditions arise which imply that it is no longer optimal to continue or, for whatever reason, I decide that I want to release the flood.
🙂 🙂 🙂April 14, 2010 at 3:05 am #33847
Hello all of my chi friends,
I have a question. Today is day 84 (12 weeks) of my semen retention experiment / adventure.
I am having an amazing experience this morning which I don’t fully understand.
After 84 days of celibacy, the “cool draw” can yield some very intense orgasms and even continuous orgasms, at times. The way that I understand it is that this is yin energy because the Jing is unaroused, as it were.
My anus has always been unbelievably sensitive. A lover’s tongue on my anus drives me absolutely insane. I don’t enjoy any roughness or penetration there, but gentle stroking from a well-lubricated finger also can send me around the bend.
This morning, I was applying some coconut oil to soothe an itch around the anal area and this touched off an unbelievable series of lightning bolt orgasms. I am talking about unbelievably intense continuous orgasms!! My mind and my genitals had been and remained completely unaroused, but the chi was just blowing up like crazy. Naturally, I directed all of this wonderful energy through my MCO, all the way to my navel center and continued this gentle stroking for a couple of minutes, and it was like the fourth of July, Christmas and New Year’s all rolled into one.
It is interesting because it doesn’t feel unbalanced or out of control like when I am aroused doing the big draw and having continuous orgasms. It just feels so delicious and soothing and wonderful. Even after I stopped stroking, the orgasms continued for quite some time. Who am I kidding? They are still rolling off pretty continuously, even while I am writing about it. The intensity has dropped significantly, to be sure, like a rocket ship descending to a landing pad.
When I am aroused and doing the big draw and I start having multiple continuous orgasms, I feel very unbalanced after a while and I need to and do, at that point, focus on exchanging energy with mother earth to balance myself out and calm myself down. That works out very well and is, by now, a well-established pattern.
This is different. It doesn’t have that scary, frantic, frenzied aspect. It just seems all positive, somehow. My brain is enjoying a nice warm chi bath. As I understand it, this unaroused jing is yin energy. I don’t know what else is happening there and that’s okay. 😉
Talk about endorphins, or whatever. At the moment, I am so blissed out, it really doesn’t matter what all the technical explanations are. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Here in northern Thailand, it is the second day of Songkran (Thai New Year) and there are varying degrees of bliss in the air, everywhere. I am happy to be able to contribute above and beyond my fair share to the beautiful stream.
Big shit-eatin’ grins to one and all in this forum!!!April 14, 2010 at 5:24 am #33849
Of course, eventually, I got around to thinking, “I want to do that again!!” LOL
So, I got out the coconut oil and commenced to stroking — nothing. Absolutely zero. I laughed and laughed. The difference was that this time there was no itch. haha Fascinating! Either that or I was just orgasmed out. There was nothing left in the tank. 😉April 14, 2010 at 1:42 pm #33851
Hello Interesting Phenomenon.
I have also had some interesting occurences when I do retention for so long times ad 82 days or so. I’m in a completely other face for the moment and perhaps I tell you about such similar experiences later.
I think your own explanation is about as far as I myself get also in explaining your experiences. I guess the experience is wery good for you, and also it feels greate.
Actually I myself is doing retention for the moment. I was suggested by Eric Yudelove to do retention and to be with woman without ejaculations as a part of a health program he has suggested to me. I am doing all hes other suggestion as well.
Unfortunately I have had quite low Jing this winter. I was in love with a married woman and had sort of a relationship with her, but we not longer meet eachother and I have been quite unballanced, and couldn’t realy do retention at all, beacase then my longing for that woman did increase.
After that period I have been working alot with my heart and with my heart and kidney energetic connection. I have going thruee some pain and released some pain. I come to the conclusion that I did want to stop my bounding to several girls that I was found of, but were there didn’t seem to be any oportunity for a relationship.
I am still working on this part and from time to time feel more free in heart and in mind. This I realy enjoy. Sometimes to not be in love is an amazing freedom. It seems to create alot of possibilities and opportunities to other woman and I guess it is the first step towards creating a new relationship.
Still not completely free though, but starting to be 🙂
Well this is probably the reason why I not write so much about retention to you for the moment. Beacase it was awhile ago since I had good experiences with it.
But as I am doing it for the moment, I will keep in touch for what happen for me at the moment.
Energetically sexually I am in a resting phase for the moment. Even though I have done retention for a while there seems not to be any interest in sex for the moment. At least not much 🙂 This I have goon thrue before in my earlier retention periods and it could last for about a mounth or so. Before after such a period my Jing have been replenished and wery strong. I will let you all know something about what will happen this time. I have an illness with to litle yang qi and in such situations, the resting periods is explained, by mantak chia if I remember right as periods were the body tells you to rest your sexuality to build up new streangth.
S DApril 15, 2010 at 6:38 am #33853
Thanks for your experiences. From my limited understanding the jing is one type of energy and can be polarized yin in a female or yang in a male. It can also be in a yin state, cold and calm or in a yang state hot and excited.
Maybe some energy went up your thrusting channel for a different experience. Though a Warning if you haven’t opened your thrusting channel up yet then I think you shouldn’t play with it. Or maybe something changed and you have just gone to a deeper level and now experience awesome valley orgasims. Just remember that if you expect the same expectation everytime you will be dissapointed. It is better to have no expectations and be in the present moment and you will always be surprised. Let us know what happens over the next few days of you experimenting.
At least you didn’t have to wait for the holidays to come for fireworks 😉
Balance.April 15, 2010 at 6:41 am #33855
Thanks for your experiences. What methods did you use to release your longing and trapped pain, was it Fusion, Smiling, or something else?
Balance and HarmonyApril 15, 2010 at 12:38 pm #33857
Mostly the meditation with the lotus flower and the other exercises that is in the first set of the tao-yin, according to Mantak Chia.
But also inner smile, and six healing sound.
I realy did enjoy the meditation with the lotus flower, in which you let a lotus flower blossom in your heart and let the kidneys be the center from which the roots going down the legs into the ground or bottom of the sea.
1 Inhale the sun energy to the heart
2 Do the heart sound on the outbreath and take the hot energy from the heart
down the spine towards the kidneys
3 Inhale earth energy thrue the roots to the kidneys
4 Exhale the kidney sound and take kidney energy to cool down the heart.
And so on
end with going between the flower and the kidneys mentally for a while and cool down and relax.
Cool energy from the kidneys relaxes the heart
Hot energy from the heart keeps the kidneys warm.
This is the tao
The exercise is wery relaxing and as I see it quite similar to fusion, but only with two of the elements. Just the two I did feel as I needed to balance. 🙂
I think this exercise did alot of the job.
There was some sensations starting in the back between the scapulas. The joints in the spine in that area was loosening up with the help of this exercise. I noticed this wery often. This is around the point connected to the heart but in the back side.
What was most amazing was the effectivness of some of the most basic or first exercises in the system, when I otherwise am doing much more advanced stuff, whithout the same nice efect, only sometimes 🙂
To find what you need in the moment that is a blessing!
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