November 15, 2004 at 6:39 am #1892
I’m wondering what the energetics of s/m sex are from the subtle body point of view. Do you have any thoughts on this?
thanks.November 15, 2004 at 10:07 am #1893
?????November 15, 2004 at 10:51 am #1895
Couldn’t really say what the energetics are during the actual practice though it does seem that one party is giving a lot of power away on a number of levels.
If you go by the maxim that the mind, both conscious and unconscious, controls the chi and shapes it into various patterns of expression then depending on how heavily participants are into it, just a bit of fun now and then or serious lifestyle choice then certain patterns are being reinforced which can affect how one is in daily life and can also show up in the aura.
Barbara Ann Brennan’s book “Hands of Light: Guide to Healing Through the Human Energy Field” is an interesting read in that it covers different personality types and gives energetic diagrams of the postive and negative dynamics involved in different auras interacting.November 15, 2004 at 11:26 am #1897
From an energetic standpoint, it is primary that you are turned on during sex. So my view — which I would argue is in line with traditional daoist thought — is you should work with whatever turns you on.
Daoist sex (love that phrase) is, among other things, about circulating and utilizing sexual energy once you’re turned on. There’s no reason you can’t do whip yourselves into a frenzy (so to speak) AND ciruclate energy. It might have to be done in the quiet moment after the whipping and srcreaming of “heal bitch” but you get my point.
Regarding whether or not you’re putting out negative or positive energy, or harming your aura because you like to be whipped or wear leather chaps — I think that’s a bunch of nonsense. If you come to sex with love and respect, for yourself and your partner, then you’ve got good energy, whatever form the sex takes. And if you don’t, you’re fucked.
Sex is hard enough sometimes. Go with what you like. BUT follow this simple rule: find time for quiet tender moments and, during those moments and otherwise, connect to your partner.November 15, 2004 at 11:34 am #1899
Well anyway, regardless of what s/m means, Ultimatley what you want going on is MAHAMUDRA.
Which is, SEX with images within ones own mind that spontaneously
appear as various consorts in which you engage in sexual activity
This is accomplished my the Accumilation of Virtue and Sexual
Can occurr in Dreams or in the Meditative State.
Most people will need to have practiced Karmamudra, which is actual
physical sex with a consort, in order to reach this level.
Actually this is the progression, Karmamudra, Jnamamudra, then Mahamudra!
This is accomplished my the Accumilation of Virtue and Sexual
This is a very High level of Subtle body Sex.
Something that is a blessing of the Dao in and of it self.November 15, 2004 at 12:01 pm #1901November 15, 2004 at 5:14 pm #1903
Granted there’s nothing deterimental in loving consensual sex of whatever flavour. Using whips and chains doesn’t ‘harm’ the aura but one’s proclivities are displayed in the energy field. It’ll certainly be a lot less embarassing if it were just a bunch of nonsense.
I remember years ago being gently but pointedly advised to be mindful of my, ahem, ‘proclivities’ – once by a clairvoyant traveller at the Glastonbury festival and another time by a tibetan lama. They made it quite plain that they could see the effects of my thoughts and actions in my energy field.November 17, 2004 at 4:21 pm #1905
sado masochistic sex or submissive/dominant sex.
I have assumed that there is something spiritually toxic about this, because it is essentially power based rather than heart centred.
And I wondered which organs of the body were being fed/validated/acted out by this kind of sex. and I dont mean sexual organs. I mean it is shadow sex, acting out baser needs, as far as I am aware.
I have been approached by several people wanting to get involved with this with me, though I am not into it myself, and i wondered if I had some sort of energetic pattern which was attracting this stuff….November 17, 2004 at 9:26 pm #1907
S/M isn’t really referedto as such these days. there used to be two things: b&d and s&m. the first stood for “bondage and discipline” the second for “sadisma and masochism”. nowadays they both come under the achronym bdsm, which refers not only to both experiences already mentioned but a slew of other related sorts of sexual behavior. the two main categories appear to be “love bondage” which involves child like bondage “games” between lovers, concetning adults, husbands and wives, etc. these people usually experience their initial attraction to this as children when they play tie up games like cowboys and indians or cops and robbers. then they carry this into adulthod and add the sexual element. often they refer to te damsel in distress as a powerful psychological image or archetype.
the second category is obviously more sinister and usually nowadays is called extreme bondage, torture, or hardcore bondage, etc. many people who enjoy love bondage are heavily turned of by this type of behavior. it usually takes part between consenting adults, but i think these people are pretty close to the edge and it’s very addictive. sexual pleasure may not even be possible outside of this context. it lacks spontaneity and is very contrived. sometimes these people, particularly thoise who call themselves “gorians,” sign slave/master contractrs with each other and push the limits of their pain and servitude. there is obviously a disharmonious element here. these people can’t operate outside teir fantasy world, at least sexually.
there are other experiences that range between and outside of these two main categories. i’m not sure how disharmonius the first one is or how different it is from asking your lover to dress a certain way, play hide and seek, or or put whip cream on the intereseting parts of their anatomy. perhaps it’s more vague than the extreme stuff or is just not as corrupt and harder to see what corrutpion is there from the less than a point of purity. i don’t know. a tricky thing here is to view anything sexual without the cloud of subjective morality forced on us by hundreds or thousandsof years of judeo-christo-muslim repression. or even buddhist and hindu repression which is very much alive here in the east and i would say a more pwerful force than in the west.
the main thing is that daoism is the effortless way. any behavior that needs to change will as your internal harmony increases and your harmony with the world. do your practices, play qigong, enjoy your mediations, whatever it is you do, and any chnages that need to take place will in a natural and spontaneous way. you can not force virtue, te.
now how do i know so mcuh about abberrant sexual behavior? hahahahaha. y’all can have your own fantasies about that…November 17, 2004 at 9:30 pm #1909
i’m not saying we should judge anybody. we all have disharmonies to deal with and the world is yin and yang and we need to live with both. one or a few disharmonies doesn’t make someone a “bad” person or a bad citizen. let the dao do its own work.
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