• Menu
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

Healing Tao USA logo title 480x83

Medical and Spiritual Qigong (Chi Kung)

  • Home
    • Primordial Tai Chi for Enlightened Love
    • Our Mission
  • Workshops
    • Winn – Current Teaching Schedule
    • Become a Certified Tao Instructor!
  • Products
    • Guide to Best Buy Packages
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 1 & 2
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 3 & 4
      • Fusion of the Five Elements 1, 2, & 3: Emotional & Psychic Alchemy
      • Inner Sexual Alchemy
    • Best Buy Packages Download
    • Video Downloads
    • Audio Downloads
    • DVDs
    • Audio CD Home Study Courses
    • eBooks & Print Books
    • Super Qi Foods & Elixirs
    • Sexual Qigong & Jade Eggs
    • Medical Qigong
    • Chinese Astrology
    • Other Cool Tao Products
      • Tao T-Shirts
      • Joyce Gayheart
        CD’s and Elixirs
      • Qi Weightlifting Equipment
  • Retreats
  • Articles / Blog
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
    • 9 Stages of Alchemy
    • Tao Articles
    • Newsletter Archive
    • Primordial Tai Chi: HOW does it Grow Self-Love?
    • Oct. 2023 Newsletter
  • FAQ / Forum
    • FAQ
    • Forum Online Discussion
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
  • Winn Bio
    • Short Bio
    • Michael Winn: The Long Story
    • Healing Tao USA logo as Musical Cosmology
  • China Trip
    • ••• China Dream Trip: August 2026 DATES •••
    • Photos: Past China Trips
  • Contact
    • Office Manager – Buy Products
    • Find Instructor Near You
    • Links
  • Cart
  • Search
  • Home
    • Primordial Tai Chi for Enlightened Love
    • Our Mission
  • Workshops
    • Winn – Current Teaching Schedule
    • Become a Certified Tao Instructor!
  • Products
    • Guide to Best Buy Packages
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 1 & 2
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 3 & 4
      • Fusion of the Five Elements 1, 2, & 3: Emotional & Psychic Alchemy
      • Inner Sexual Alchemy
    • Best Buy Packages Download
    • Video Downloads
    • Audio Downloads
    • DVDs
    • Audio CD Home Study Courses
    • eBooks & Print Books
    • Super Qi Foods & Elixirs
    • Sexual Qigong & Jade Eggs
    • Medical Qigong
    • Chinese Astrology
    • Other Cool Tao Products
      • Tao T-Shirts
      • Joyce Gayheart
        CD’s and Elixirs
      • Qi Weightlifting Equipment
  • Retreats
  • Articles / Blog
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
    • 9 Stages of Alchemy
    • Tao Articles
    • Newsletter Archive
    • Primordial Tai Chi: HOW does it Grow Self-Love?
    • Oct. 2023 Newsletter
  • FAQ / Forum
    • FAQ
    • Forum Online Discussion
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
  • Winn Bio
    • Short Bio
    • Michael Winn: The Long Story
    • Healing Tao USA logo as Musical Cosmology
  • China Trip
    • ••• China Dream Trip: August 2026 DATES •••
    • Photos: Past China Trips
  • Contact
    • Office Manager – Buy Products
    • Find Instructor Near You
    • Links
  • Cart
  • Search

Some Help/Describe Your Feeling of Orbit/Big Draw

by

Home › Forum Online Discussion › Practice › Some Help/Describe Your Feeling of Orbit/Big Draw

  • This topic has 3 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 4 years, 2 months ago by Nolan.
Viewing 4 posts - 1 through 4 (of 4 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • January 18, 2021 at 11:58 pm #60479
    Nolan
    Participant

    It seems to me that the description of a practice is often much more general than the actual experience of doing it and even encorporating it into every day life. I would love to have some conversations about anything related to these things and how it works for you personally.

    Also, I have been wondering. What should it feel like to have the crown point activated or to hold energy there? (Is the point an inch below the skin or on the very top?) Also, what should it feel like for the energy to rise along the Du Channel? It seems like many different types of energy can be sent through the channels, it can feel different every time.

    For example, I first experienced this energy as momentary “shivers/chills” going up my spine while on psilocybin mushrooms. It felt joyful and refreshing. But for years I had no idea exactly what it was. The energy rose very quickly and stopped around the back of my skull.

    As I have practiced the microcosmic orbit and big draw, many times it seems to be the most efficient method, to just retrace this feeling instead of spending time going through each point as often described, which seems more choppy and forceful in comparison. The energy usually just wants to keep rising up past the points. I assume both methods are beneficial but I am curious what you guys might say in response. Making the energy rise quickly can feel a bit rushed, but it also kinda feels like the natural way that it flows.

    Ever since my experiences with psychedelics, I have been able to shift the “pressure” to the top of my head. I assume this is blood following chi. Is this one of the goals of these practices, or is there a deeper experience to be cultivated? At times it does seem to be a little uncomfortable, I have been trying to create more of a feeling of bliss and openness instead of pressure, because it seems to be a bit of a dead end.

    I have listed a good few points here, feel free to share on any of them. Looking forward to your responses!

    January 19, 2021 at 12:01 am #60480
    Nolan
    Participant

    To clarify, I am mainly interested in the practices of; cool/big draw practices, heavenly orbit, thrustings channels and other nei gong techniques.

    February 21, 2021 at 11:24 pm #60578
    Lynna
    Participant

    I’ve done quite a lot of psychedelics before discovering taoism so I know exactly what you mean. It’s different for everyone as you’ve probably heard. For me I felt a cooling water tingling the inside of my brain. It actually felt like peppermint. The pressure is normal, it’s just chi or jing trying to push open channels that were previously closed. Sometimes it can cause mild headaches. I call them chi headaches haha. And for the different methods of the orbit, there really is no wrong way of doing it in my opinion. As long as you focusing on the points and/or the loop. The best way for me is the get your lower Dan dian really hot before circulating, nothing but solid focus on the navel for at least 10 minutes before focusing on the points. Then focus on each point for as long as you feel comfortable, while keeping your attention on your navel. After that I usually go through the loop 36 times. It seems to flow on its own that way I’ve discovered. Like I said with the headaches sometimes chi activating can be quite painful. I’ve felt sharp electrical shocks hit my sacrum before! And I do have to agree with you on the choppy feeling of going through each point. In Master chia’s first orbit book he teaches it that way. He tells you to focus on each point for 15 minutes. I’ve found it’s much easier to focus on the navel for the longest (as that’s where the energy for your orbit generates) Get your navel burning first. Then circulate. There’s different stages of the microcosmic orbit activating of course. When it’s fully activated and open to the highest level you should feel a hot burning sensation around the entire loop. I’ve read that it feels like somebody is holding a blow dryer up your spine and around your body. <!–more–> Hope this is helpful for you man. Good luck in your chi cultivation! 🙏🏻

    March 3, 2021 at 4:57 pm #60601
    Nolan
    Participant

    Thank you Lynn, definitely helpful!

  • Author
    Posts
Viewing 4 posts - 1 through 4 (of 4 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Log In

Primary Sidebar

Signup for FREE eBook – $20 value

Inner Smile free eBook with Signup to Newsletter

Way of the Inner Smile
130 page eBook

+ Qi Flows Naturally news

+ Loving the Tao of Now blog

Enter Email Only - Privacy Protected

Qigong Benefits – Michael Winn

Michael Winn Qi Products:

Best Buy Packages »
  1. Qigong Fundamentals 1 & 2
  2. Qigong Fundamentals 3 & 4
  3. Fusion of Five Elements 1, 2, 3
  4. Sexual Energy Cultivation
  5. Primordial Tai Chi / Primordial Qigong
  6. Inner Sexual Alchemy Kan & Li
  7. Sun-Moon Alchemy Kan & Li
  8. Inner Smile Gift
Individual Products
  1. Qigong Fundamentals 1
  2. Qigong Fundamentals 2
  3. Qigong Fundamentals 3
  4. Qigong Fundamentals 4
  5. Fusion of Five Elements 1
  6. Fusion of Five Elements 2 & 3
  7. Sexual Energy Cultivation
  8. Tao Dream Practice
  9. Primordial Tai Chi / Primordial Qigong
  10. Deep Healing Qigong
  11. Internal Alchemy (Kan & Li Series)
Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA

Michael Winn, Pres.
Healing Tao USA

Use Michael Winn's Qi Gong products for one whole year — I guarantee you'll be 100% delighted and satisfied with the great Qi results. Return my product in good condition for immediate refund.

Guarantee Details

OUR PROMISE: Every Michael Winn Qi gong & meditation product will empower you to be more relaxed, smiling, joyful, and flowing in harmony with the Life Force.

yin-yang

Each Qigong video, book, or audio course will assist your authentic Self to fulfill worldly needs and relations; feel the profound sexual pleasure of being a radiant, healthy body; express your unique virtues; complete your soul destiny; realize peace – experience eternal life flowing in this human body Now.

© 2025 Healing Tao USA · Log in · built by mojomonger