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Spooky World of Quantum Biology (cutting edge science article)

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  • June 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm #31632
    Michael Winn
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    note: this is where science is finally trying to catch up with alchemical processes of “gan ying”: coherence created by resonance at a distance. The movement is in the right direction, away from old ideas of mechaniing the process, allowing light/chi to flow in all directions and all timelines at once and using the feedback to choose the most evolutionary timeline in the present movment.
    micihael

    THE SPOOKY WORLD OF QUANTUM BIOLOGY
    By Michael Garfield
    hplusmagazine.com
    June 1, 2009

    http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/bio/spooky-world-quantum-biology

    One hundred and fifty years ago, paleontologist Thomas Henry Huxley (an
    autodidact and philosopher who coined the term “agnostic” and was known as
    “Darwin’s Bulldog” for his passionate defense of natural selection) asserted
    that humankind would eventually take the processes of evolution into our own
    hands. Within a few decades of his proclamation, a cadre of equally
    brilliant scientists including Werner Heisenberg, David Bohm, and Max Planck
    began to unravel the mysterious properties of quantum mechanics. These two
    theories — evolutionary and quantum dynamics — can each be considered
    among the most important discoveries of all time. Taken together, they have
    changed almost everything about the way we understand reality. However, in
    spite of the popularity of interdisciplinary research and unifying theories
    over the last hundred years (despite, even, quantum physicist Erwin
    Schröedinger’s 1944 book, What Is Life?), it was only recently that the
    relationship between these two vastly important domains was even considered.
    Now, a new kind of science, called “quantum biology,” is beginning to emerge
    –- and it could change everything we know, again..

    The premise is simple. Life is a molecular process; molecular processes
    operate according to the quantum playbook; therefore, life is a quantum
    process. And yet, it wasn’t until the nineties that anyone suggested biology
    could be better understood by looking at it through the lens of quantum
    theory. (The seminal paper was D.V. Nanopoulos’ “Theory of brain function,
    quantum mechanics and superstrings.”) Not long after that, the idea caught
    on — particularly in the neurosciences, where the idea of the brain as a
    quantum computer quickly became a topic of fierce debate.

    Quantum computation, a science still in its infancy, promises swiftness and
    efficiency vastly superior to anything possible with conventional silicon
    chips. Rather than relying on binary bits like contemporary systems, quantum
    computers use “qubits” that include all possible superpositions of a
    particle’s classical state. Instead of being “trapped” in a single
    configuration, the logic gates of a quantum computer employ multiple
    possibilities in synchrony — using the entire set of alternative outcomes
    to arrive at an answer.

    It’s a promising avenue for people with big plans for strong AI or virtual
    reality. The only complication is that coherence — in which the many
    possible states of a particle or group of particles stay hung in
    superposition — is something scientists have only been able to study under
    extremely controlled conditions. It’s only possible when that system doesn’t
    interact with anything else that might “collapse the wave function,” and so
    most of the major options for quantum computing involve impractical
    scenarios like creating a supercooled vacuum.

    This is one of the reasons that many scientists have considered quantum
    biology both unlikely and unscientific. The thermal noise of biological
    systems seemed too great to allow for quantum weirdness; and even if it
    could, how on Earth would we study it? But science is the story of
    ingenuity’s victory over shortsightedness — and one research team, led by
    Gregory S. Engel at UC Berkeley, has devised way to directly detect and
    observe quantum-level processes within a cell using high-speed lasers.

    They were trying to establish exactly how organic photosynthesis approaches
    95% efficiency, whereas the most sophisticated human solar cells operate at
    only half that. What they discovered is nothing short of remarkable. Using
    femtosecond lasers to follow the movement of light energy through a
    photosynthetic bacterial cell, Engel et al. observed the energy traveling
    along every possible direction at the same time. Instead of following a
    single trajectory like the electrons on a silicon chip, the energy in
    photosynthesis explores all of its options and collapses the quantum process
    only after the fact, retroactively “deciding” upon the most efficient
    pathway.

    What does this all mean? Not only does quantum phenomena occur in living
    systems, but the basic processes of life we take for granted rely on the
    transfer of information backward in time. Life is so magical because it
    cheats.

    Although the mechanisms by which a living cell can prevent decoherence by
    dampening its own chemical “noise” remain utterly mysterious, findings such
    as Engels’ conclusively demonstrate that room-temperature quantum computing
    is possible (and knowing how something works isn’t always necessary in order
    to use it). And Engel’s group isn’t the only team to detect it: other
    laboratories have implicated a phenomenon called electron tunneling
    (micro-teleportation, in which an electron disappears in one location and
    instantaneously appears somewhere else without having traveled the
    intermediate distance) at work behind a range of organic phenomena, from our
    sense of smell and the activities of our enzymes to the neutralization of
    free radicals with anti-oxidants… possibly even consciousness itself. Paul
    Davies (Arizona State University) and JohnJoe McFadden (The University of
    Surrey) have independently suggested that computation in the netherworld of
    quantum coherence might explain how the earliest self-replicating molecules
    overcame the inestimable odds against them — life’s very existence may be
    the consequence and continued operation of a quantum computer. We may
    ultimately have to accept our human quest for qubit calculation as a kind of
    biomimicry, rather than something new and unique.

    Quantum biology stands to answer other big questions, as well — questions
    that many contemporary biologists prefer to ignore. McFadden, in his
    excellent primer Quantum Evolution, cites several experiments that suggest
    certain mutations are “intelligent,” even “anticipatory.” For example,
    bacterial cultures have been observed to evolve clever responses to lab
    toxins at speeds that — just like the emergence of DNA from a primordial
    soup — defy astronomical odds. Can biological quantum calculation account
    for this? McFadden thinks so. (His hypothesis was itself anticipated in the
    science fiction of Greg Egan, whose novel Teranesia featured some very
    “spooky” retrocausal mutations — including the instantaneous appearance of
    entire new ecosystems via competing future evolutionary scenarios. Whether
    such extreme examples of quantum biological principles are possible remains
    to be seen.)

    As we continue to probe biological phenomena that beat quantum computer
    scientists to the punch, a new picture emerges of evolutionary computing and
    design. Huxley’s prophecy that we will eventually take the reins of our own
    evolution might come true sooner than predicted by establishment
    geneticists. But by appealing to the quantum oracle, we may be acting in
    service of something far older and more intelligent than we can even guess.
    Ultrafast computing, accelerated by our explorations into the new science of
    quantum biology, could well be the critical technology that pushes us over
    the edge into the Singularity — a timeless and transcendent event in which
    we already live, because it is the nature of life itself — a vast sentience
    beyond human comprehension, and we are merely the newest avenue for its
    expression in the world. Classical or quantum, human or ecological, natural
    selection still gets the last laugh.

    June 6, 2009 at 1:19 am #31633
    Steven
    Moderator

    Of course the selection mechanism for choosing
    instantaneously amongst a myriad of possible
    confluent states is merely consciousness itself.
    This is the linchpin that is driving the whole machine.

    S

    June 15, 2009 at 1:16 pm #31635
    shenchi
    Participant

    WOW! I saw a documentary on Tibetan Medicine not too long ago and in that film a Swedish herb company was studying Tibetan herbs and noticed under scientific study that the plants themselves were giving off light. This led to a realization that all living organisms give off light. I think that this must be catagorized under the same phenomenon that is being talked about in this article. Pretty amazing stuff. I think I also saw somewhere that Biologists were trying to find a way to classify things based on the type, amount, and quality of this light being given off by different plants, animals, and minerals. All in all pretty amazing stuff. Thank you Michael for posting it.

    Peace & Tao

    Shenchi

    June 15, 2009 at 4:48 pm #31637
    Steven
    Moderator

    Which light are you referring to? Some etheric light?
    All objects emit visible light, otherwise we would
    not be able to see them. S

    June 15, 2009 at 7:29 pm #31639
    atxryan
    Participant

    What was the name of the documentary you watched, Shenchi?

    June 16, 2009 at 1:09 am #31641
    shenchi
    Participant

    S,

    I was refering to the light traveling within the plant in this article(see quote below). It sounded similar to something I saw in this documentary that I can’t remember the name of. BTW most things don’t give off visible light they reflect it, unless they are luminesant. Thats why they can’t be seen in the dark. The film I saw said that all organic material gives off photons or light not just reflect it but seeming to produce it. I don’t think that light is visible to the human eye though, because they needed special equipment to see the photons being given off. It was very interesting though.
    S

    “They were trying to establish exactly how organic photosynthesis approaches
    95% efficiency, whereas the most sophisticated human solar cells operate at
    only half that. What they discovered is nothing short of remarkable. Using
    femtosecond lasers to follow the movement of light energy through a
    photosynthetic bacterial cell, Engel et al. observed the energy traveling
    along every possible direction at the same time. Instead of following a
    single trajectory like the electrons on a silicon chip, the energy in
    photosynthesis explores all of its options and collapses the quantum process
    only after the fact, retroactively “deciding” upon the most efficient
    pathway”

    June 16, 2009 at 1:15 am #31643
    shenchi
    Participant

    Ryan,
    I can’t remeber I am trying to find it again. I watched like 3 or 4 tibettan documentaries on netflix back to back like 3 months ago. It was all in tibettan and had english subtitles. As soon as I find the title i will post it because it was a really good film. Kinda dry but very informative. I didn’t know much about Tibettan medicine prior to watching it so it was interesting. Again as soon as I remeber the title I will post it. until then,

    Peace & Tao

    Shenchi

    June 16, 2009 at 9:42 am #31645
    Steven
    Moderator

    S,

    >>>I was refering to the light traveling within the
    >>>plant in this article(see quote below).

    OK, thanks.

    >>>BTW most things don’t give off visible light they reflect it,
    >>>unless they are luminesant. Thats why they can’t be seen in the dark.

    FALSE. Plants are not mirrors.

    All objects absorb light and then reemit it.
    How much and to what quantity the object emits light
    depends upon a number of factors: how much external
    light is striking it, what color the object is, what
    temperature the object is, whether there is an internal
    energy source generating an excess of electromagnetic
    radiation in the visible spectrum, etc.

    This “reflection” concept is a false notion that people
    in pop culture say to each other. The only difference
    between a luminuous object and one that is not, is the
    relative intensity of what is being emitted. If the
    amount of light emitted is significantly more than
    the surrounding ambient light, then we say the object
    is luminescent.

    Even when it gets dark, oftentimes your eyes will adjust
    and you will be able to start to see subtle differences
    in the emissions, and thus can see “in the dark”.
    Amplifying/modifying these differences are some of the
    principles behind certain types of night goggles, heat
    scopes, and the like.

    S

    June 16, 2009 at 8:54 pm #31647
    shenchi
    Participant

    WOW! Cool man, Thanks for the clarification, very very interesting. One question though, don’t luminesants produce certain chemicals to create the light they emit?….Do they still have to gather light to reemit it or is it the chemicals produced that becomes an independent light source? Also does something have to be mirrored to reflect light ? I thought that if light hit an object and couldn’t pass through it it was reflected back in a different direction and that is what our eye’s pick up in order to see what is in front of them. Anyway thanks again for clarifying.

    Peace & Tao
    Shenchi

    June 16, 2009 at 9:09 pm #31649
    shenchi
    Participant

    Ryan,
    Hey I found the name of that documentary it’s called “knowledge of healing”. It’s like I said, dry but very interesting. I must of liked it enough to burn a copy because I found a copy of it in my library. Anyway if you watch it let me know what you think.

    Peace & Tao
    Shenchi

    June 16, 2009 at 9:48 pm #31651
    Steven
    Moderator

    >>>One question though, don’t luminesants produce certain chemicals
    >>>to create the light they emit?….Do they still have to gather
    >>>light to reemit it or is it the chemicals produced that becomes an independent >>>light source?

    Oftentimes it is an electrochemical response. Due to certain types
    of chemical reactions, the products of these reactions often produce
    molecules that naturally have a lower stable energy. The extra energy
    therefore is given off in a deexcitation process. Oftentimes this
    extra energy is given off in the form of heat, but sometimes it is
    given off as light [actually both heat and light are both just forms
    of EM radiation]. If an object is emitting more visible light than
    what it is receiving, then that energy has to come from somewhere.
    In the case of fireflys, say, it is an electrochemical response.
    In the case of a red hot poker, it is the temperature difference.

    >>>Also does something have to be mirrored to reflect light ?
    >>>I thought that if light hit an object and couldn’t pass
    >>>through it it was reflected back in a different direction
    >>>and that is what our eye’s pick up in order to see what
    >>>is in front of them.

    To be perfectly, perfectly honest, even a mirror doesn’t really
    reflect light. That’s an early idea of Isaac’s Newton’s when
    people were first trying to understand light. However, with a mirror
    the reemission is so damn near perfectly identical to what is
    striking it, that you may as well call it reflection. In the case
    of a mirror, you will never really get into any problems pretending
    that light is “reflecting”. This really can *not* be said
    of other objects however. In these cases, the light that is
    reemitted is drastically different from what is striking it.
    For instance, it is very difficult to get a good understanding
    of the nature of color if you don’t treat light interaction as
    it actually happens (that is, the full spectrum of light strikes
    a non-transparent object, the object absorbs the whole spectrum and
    absorbs all of it, then the object through a deexcitation process
    emits its own spectrum–sometimes completely different from what
    was incident).

    The more accurate description of what is going on is what is necessary
    to understand “apparent paradoxes” such as “white light is
    the sum of all colors as seen from a prism” but “mixing all colors of
    paint in a can yields black”.

    S

    June 16, 2009 at 10:10 pm #31653
    shenchi
    Participant

    HOLY CRAP! WOW! Thanks Steven. That is crazy and completely alters my perception of light, and actually what you described, though complex, makes much more sense then the idea of reflecting light and actually puts a whole new perspective on absorbing energy in Qi Gung. Wow I’m flabergasted. Thanks.

    Shenchi

    June 17, 2009 at 9:06 am #31655
    Dog
    Participant
    June 17, 2009 at 8:20 pm #31657
    shenchi
    Participant

    Also Ryan I highly, Highly!, recommend the documentary “Yogi’s of Tibet:a film for posperity”. Really great stuff. Let me know what you think.

    S

    June 21, 2009 at 2:32 pm #31659
    atxryan
    Participant

    Thanks for the info, Shenchi, i might use one of those netflix trials they send out to watch these movies.
    Ryan

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