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  • March 31, 2008 at 3:43 pm #27955
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    Hello

    Had some good experiences with Standing tree today. Often I can´t stand for a long time.

    We are into the last chapter in Yudeloves book “100 days…”. There is a nice meditation and I could do it in the tree stance all the way, happy about it beacase I start to feel energy while standing also. Before it did just hurt or was boring. Today better.

    The meditation is a nice one.

    1 Smiles to points at the eye and visualising the moon shining on this spots.

    2 Inner smile all three rounds.

    3 Visualising moon ower head for a minute or two.

    4 Desending the moon ower the head and then down around the neck further down into the solar plexus and see still water in the tan tien. The moon is reflecting in the water

    5 Moon decending in under the water. Bellow breathing heat in tan tien. The moon change to a sun. Meditating on the sun in stomach for a while

    6 The sun is compressed into a pearl

    7 Pearl decending into the perineum

    8 Pearl goes in the mc orbit while doing reversed breathing. Up breath in down breath out. Increasing to the macrocosmic orbit

    9 Pearl goes into tan tien and becames a golden flower. Meditate on the flower on the water.

    10 Circulate navel and finnish.

    Quite a nice meditation. Feels soft and good.

    All for tonight, good nigth people. See u.

    S D

    April 1, 2008 at 7:13 pm #27956
    Steven
    Moderator

    Hi SD,

    Glad to hear about your progress!
    Now that you’re finishing your book, what’s next on your agenda? 🙂

    Best,
    Steven

    April 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm #27958
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    Hello Steven

    I feel a litle bit that it isn´t much I haved achived in my Iron Shirt practise, during the 8 years of practising this method. But then I think everybody have it´s own path and with endurance I will progress even in this area. Perhaps this is a good beginning, we´ll see.

    The book is in my study group. We might have to more girls starting practising with us. The plan is to learn some similar exercises we have studied from the book, but in a way that is like my UT teachers learn it, and then to buy CD in Swedish to all in the group, so they can have more easy practise, or a better motivator.

    Then I will continue with first three chapters in M C´s Taoist Cosmic healing and perhaps go into tan tien qigong and (golden … qigong, forget the name). Also perhaps do some meditations from Healing light from the tao. This is just a general plan. The main goal for the period from now into perhaps august is to let the group go into a more Yin aproach of practise, to practise more the things we like and not to follow chapters from a book. I have also given them a paper with some basic exercises to restudy from the first book. This is also for the new members. Then in August I plan to continue with Yudeloves ather book,” Taoist Yoga and sexual energy.” Where four in the group will be instructors with an own field from the book for each new chapter.

    My own practise will of course partly follow this plan for the yoga group and partly be free. I want to look into this with Iron Shirt practises and Iron shirt pracking process breathing, but carefully with the last. Then I also will start in July to go a about for month course with Hsi Lai to be a initiated jade dragon in the white tigress system.

    So of course I´m looking at the possibilities to meet a girl or girls. But unfortunately I haven´t had so much succes with the girl I have had most feelings for, but I might not be totaly out of chance with her in the long run I belive. Another girl I also like alot from my yoga group will also go the course in the white tigress system with me. She have told me she wold like to be a tantric partner with me. She is wery much interested in UT and other similar diciplines and I enjoy her company alot, when we do things together. It will be interesting to see what will happen.

    Otherwise I will work alot as a teacher untill midsummer, study some mathematical statistics with Matlab during the summer and end my master thesis work untill christmus. In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness and this is my main goal to have a more positive efect in this area.

    A working plan for the sSwedish Dragon

    April 4, 2008 at 12:38 am #27960
    Steven
    Moderator

    Finally getting a short break to respond . . .

    >>I feel a litle bit that it isn´t much I
    >>haved achived in my Iron Shirt practise,
    >>during the 8 years of practising this method.
    >>But then I think everybody have it´s own path
    >>and with endurance I will progress even in this
    >>area. Perhaps this is a good beginning, we´ll see.

    Sometimes if you switch to something else, and then
    come back to a particular practice later, it can
    sort of help you break past certain limitations.

    >>Then I will continue with first three chapters in
    >>M C´s Taoist Cosmic healing and perhaps go into
    >>tan tien qigong and (golden … qigong, forget the name).
    >>Also perhaps do some meditations from Healing light
    >>from the tao. This is just a general plan.
    >>The main goal for the period from now into perhaps
    >>august is to let the group go into a more Yin aproach of
    >>practise, to practise more the things we like and not to
    >>follow chapters from a book. I have also given them a paper
    >>with some basic exercises to restudy from the first book.
    >>This is also for the new members. Then in August I plan
    >>to continue with Yudeloves ather book,” Taoist Yoga and
    >>sexual energy.” Where four in the group will be instructors
    >>with an own field from the book for each new chapter.

    It’s great that you have others to practice with from time
    to time. How many people are in your group? Are you the
    “leader” of the group?

    >>My own practise will of course partly follow this plan
    >>for the yoga group and partly be free. I want to look
    >>into this with Iron Shirt practises and Iron shirt
    >>pracking process breathing, but carefully with the last.
    >>Then I also will start in July to go a about for month
    >>course with Hsi Lai to be a initiated jade dragon in
    >>the white tigress system.

    Wow, sounds like you’ve got a lot of stuff on the horizon.
    Cool.

    >>So of course I´m looking at the possibilities to meet
    >>a girl or girls. But unfortunately I haven´t had so
    >>much succes with the girl I have had most feelings for,
    >>but I might not be totaly out of chance with her in the
    >>long run I belive. Another girl I also like alot from my
    >>yoga group will also go the course in the white tigress
    >>system with me. She have told me she wold like to be a
    >>tantric partner with me. She is wery much interested in UT
    >>and other similar diciplines and I enjoy her company alot,
    >>when we do things together. It will be interesting to see
    >>what will happen.

    Yeah, that second girl sort of sounds like she trying to
    let you know in different subtle (and not so subtle) ways
    that she’s interested in you, and is testing the waters
    a little bit to gauge both your feelings and her own.

    >>Otherwise I will work alot as a teacher untill midsummer,
    >>study some mathematical statistics with Matlab during the
    >>summer and end my master thesis work untill christmus.

    What do you think you might want to do after you get your
    masters degree?

    >>In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness
    >>and this is my main goal to have a more positive efect in this area.

    How has that been coming along? I seem to remember you starting
    something with low dose hydrocortisone . . . has your problem
    improved? You sort of sound a little better anyway.

    Steven

    April 4, 2008 at 2:01 pm #27962
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    Finally getting a short break to respond . . .

    >>I feel a litle bit that it isn´t much I
    >>haved achived in my Iron Shirt practise,
    >>during the 8 years of practising this method.
    >>But then I think everybody have it´s own path
    >>and with endurance I will progress even in this
    >>area. Perhaps this is a good beginning, we´ll see.

    Sometimes if you switch to something else, and then
    come back to a particular practice later, it can
    sort of help you break past certain limitations.

    …Yes true! 🙂

    >>Then I will continue with first three chapters in
    >>M C´s Taoist Cosmic healing and perhaps go into
    >>tan tien qigong and (golden … qigong, forget the name).
    >>Also perhaps do some meditations from Healing light
    >>from the tao. This is just a general plan.
    >>The main goal for the period from now into perhaps
    >>august is to let the group go into a more Yin aproach of
    >>practise, to practise more the things we like and not to
    >>follow chapters from a book. I have also given them a paper
    >>with some basic exercises to restudy from the first book.
    >>This is also for the new members. Then in August I plan
    >>to continue with Yudeloves ather book,” Taoist Yoga and
    >>sexual energy.” Where four in the group will be instructors
    >>with an own field from the book for each new chapter.

    It’s great that you have others to practice with from time
    to time. How many people are in your group? Are you the
    “leader” of the group?

    …Yes it feels wery good to regularly meet this practioners. We meet about two times a mounth. I was the one starting the group and was the one that introduced all the exercises from the begining. I am the leader in that sence that I take the responsibility to plan what we shall do and when to meet and always take care of such questions. Today we are four that do the instructions for each new chapter. For the moment we are 5 girls and me, and perhaps one more girl want to start with us.

    …the book above was “golden elixir qigong I think.

    >>My own practise will of course partly follow this plan
    >>for the yoga group and partly be free. I want to look
    >>into this with Iron Shirt practises and Iron shirt
    >>pracking process breathing, but carefully with the last.
    >>Then I also will start in July to go a about for month
    >>course with Hsi Lai to be a initiated jade dragon in
    >>the white tigress system.

    Wow, sounds like you’ve got a lot of stuff on the horizon.
    Cool.

    …Yes it will be fun! It not always though that I follow up my sometimes to ambitious plans. But sometimes I manage also. 🙂 Try anyway to see some kind of progression. Actually my biggest plan for the moment is to look at my adictions.

    >>So of course I´m looking at the possibilities to meet
    >>a girl or girls. But unfortunately I haven´t had so
    >>much succes with the girl I have had most feelings for,
    >>but I might not be totaly out of chance with her in the
    >>long run I belive. Another girl I also like alot from my
    >>yoga group will also go the course in the white tigress
    >>system with me. She have told me she wold like to be a
    >>tantric partner with me. She is wery much interested in UT
    >>and other similar diciplines and I enjoy her company alot,
    >>when we do things together. It will be interesting to see
    >>what will happen.

    Yeah, that second girl sort of sounds like she trying to
    let you know in different subtle (and not so subtle) ways
    that she’s interested in you, and is testing the waters
    a little bit to gauge both your feelings and her own.

    …Yes true. Exciting!

    >>Otherwise I will work alot as a teacher untill midsummer,
    >>study some mathematical statistics with Matlab during the
    >>summer and end my master thesis work untill christmus.

    What do you think you might want to do after you get your
    masters degree?

    …My main goal has been to take a Phd in Physical geodesy. For the moment I´m not shore, beacase I want to see that my healt is totaly improven first, otherwise I might make it worse and destroy my life. My plan in the meantime is to continue with teaching, but to add teaching also at a higher level, with master students. And to learn some computer programs in my field. To repeat a course in error theory and teach that to. I also want to learn more GIS and to study a subject I newly found that is coald geometrical statistics. Have been studying Mathematical statistics the last few years and would like to improve my knowledge in this field. Perhaps teach or work with GIS and geometrical statistics for a while is an idea.
    Thats my plans for the moment. Oh and to continuing with what I do no, teaching Surveying, I enjoy it quite alot. I think I am a good teacher and know how to explain things so that it looks simple. I have been interested in all kinds of psychology and read alot when I was younger. I have also learned some memory teqniques that I have used myself when studying and that is helpful to imrove my pedagogical skills as a teacher. I also have read about new ways of learning like creative mind mapping and other more fun and creative ways to present things for a public. I have been interested in and learned for the latest years also how to speak to a public and been working at the summers as a guide at a museum, just to improve comunication skílls and to have fun and money. (Just litle 🙂 )
    So I guess the best thing to do is to continuing with teaching untill I have improven my healt, I have the knowledge in the subjects and know how to teach well, so I can have a success even though I not feel so good, with my tiredness and so.

    >>In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness
    >>and this is my main goal to have a more positive efect in this area.

    How has that been coming along? I seem to remember you starting
    something with low dose hydrocortisone . . . has your problem
    improved? You sort of sound a little better anyway.

    … It was hydrocortisone low dosage in combination with natural thyroxin. The hydrocortisone helps the weak adranals to manage to deal with a higher metabolism from the thyroxin and it also help the thyroxin to more eficient reach into the mitocondria.

    … It has helped me a litle bit. I have been able to do more physical exercises without feeling totaly weak. And perhaps also not need to sleep as much as before. But the improvement is not much yes, but we are increasing the treatment of thyroxin each weak and the good efect might first happen when we have reached a higher dosage. It will be interesting to see.

    …Another treatment is with homeopathy, the same doctor though. I have had a strong efect with it and just now he has given me the same pill with a higher potential.

    …Another treatment is to use taoistic sexology dual cultivation to increase my enerhy. I feel intuitively that the sexual techniques might have a wery strong potentiality to cure my illness. So trying to find ways to stop being a celibate. 🙂 And I realy want to stop all pornography 🙁 Feel strongly that it not is good for me and have decided that if I will continue from know on then I will search for help in this matter. Not that I use pornography wery much but enoght much to not feel good from it. This is one of my main goals for the moment to change my way of dealing with my sexuality. It might be more important than learning new and more qigong methods, I have realised.

    Qi with you

    Swedish Dragon

    April 4, 2008 at 8:52 pm #27964
    Steven
    Moderator

    >>…Yes it feels wery good to regularly meet this practioners.
    >>We meet about two times a mounth. I was the one starting the
    >>group and was the one that introduced all the exercises from
    >>the begining. I am the leader in that sence that I take the
    >>responsibility to plan what we shall do and when to meet and
    >>always take care of such questions. Today we are four that do
    >>the instructions for each new chapter. For the moment we are
    >>5 girls and me, and perhaps one more girl want to start with us.

    Oh, that’s cool.
    5 girls huh? No wonder you’ve got some pent up sexual tension 🙂

    >>…Yes it will be fun!
    >>It not always though that I follow up my
    >>sometimes to ambitious plans. But sometimes I
    >>manage also. 🙂 Try anyway to see some kind of
    >>progression. Actually my biggest plan for the
    >>moment is to look at my adictions.

    Well it’s good to have goals.
    Just don’t be too hard on yourself

    >>…My main goal has been to take a Phd in Physical geodesy.
    >>For the moment I´m not shore, beacase I want to see that my
    >>healt is totaly improven first, otherwise I might make it worse
    >>and destroy my life. My plan in the meantime is to continue with
    >>teaching, but to add teaching also at a higher level, with master
    >>students. And to learn some computer programs in my field. To
    >>repeat a course in error theory and teach that to. I also want
    >>to learn more GIS and to study a subject I newly found that is
    >>coald geometrical statistics. Have been studying Mathematical
    >>statistics the last few years and would like to improve my
    >>knowledge in this field. Perhaps teach or work with GIS and
    >>geometrical statistics for a while is an idea.
    >>Thats my plans for the moment. Oh and to continuing with what
    >>I do no, teaching Surveying, I enjoy it quite alot. I think I am
    >>a good teacher and know how to explain things so that it looks
    >>simple. I have been interested in all kinds of psychology and read
    >>alot when I was younger. I have also learned some memory teqniques
    >>that I have used myself when studying and that is helpful to imrove
    >>my pedagogical skills as a teacher. I also have read about new ways
    >>of learning like creative mind mapping and other more fun and creative
    >>ways to present things for a public. I have been interested in and
    >>learned for the latest years also how to speak to a public and been
    >>working at the summers as a guide at a museum, just to improve
    >>comunication skílls and to have fun and money. (Just litle 🙂 )
    >>So I guess the best thing to do is to continuing with teaching
    >>untill I have improven my healt, I have the knowledge in the subjects
    >>and know how to teach well, so I can have a success even though I not
    >>feel so good, with my tiredness and so.

    Well that’s a lot of different stuff. The only thing I can
    say here is to just listen to your inner voice, and do what
    you hear your heart telling you what to do–not necessarily
    what you “think you *should* do”.

    >>In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness
    >>… It has helped me a litle bit. I have been able to do more
    >>physical exercises without feeling totaly weak. And perhaps
    >>also not need to sleep as much as before. But the improvement
    >>is not much yes, but we are increasing the treatment of thyroxin
    >>each weak and the good efect might first happen when we have
    >>reached a higher dosage. It will be interesting to see.
    >>…Another treatment is with homeopathy, the same doctor though.
    >>I have had a strong efect with it and just now he has given me
    >>the same pill with a higher potential.

    Best wishes with it.
    Focus your energies on how *good* you feel rather how *bad* you feel.
    I think it will help with programming, and speed your recovery.

    >>…Another treatment is to use taoistic sexology dual cultivation
    >>to increase my enerhy. I feel intuitively that the sexual techniques
    >>might have a wery strong potentiality to cure my illness. So trying
    >>to find ways to stop being a celibate. 🙂 And I realy want to stop
    >>all pornography 🙁 Feel strongly that it not is good for me and
    >>have decided that if I will continue from know on then I will
    >>search for help in this matter. Not that I use pornography wery
    >>much but enoght much to not feel good from it. This is one of my
    >>main goals for the moment to change my way of dealing with my
    >>sexuality. It might be more important than learning new and more
    >>qigong methods, I have realised.

    I would encourage you to focus on self-love and healing your heart.
    Looking to the outside I don’t believe is the answer. You
    already have what you need. You just need to look within and
    realize it.

    Moreover, your “addiction” to porn is not something you can
    get rid of (I think) by just willpower or determination.
    You need to satisfy what you are really craving–which might
    be feelings of love, it might be unresolved sexual feelings,
    whatever it is–go inside and locate these feelings/desires.
    Ignoring them won’t work. Otherwise you are just in a tug-of-war
    and you won’t be able “to win”.

    If you practice a lot of self-love, practice opening your heart,
    and feel it radiate from within, then you won’t even need to *try*
    to get rid of addiction to porn. You will simply lose interest.
    The addiction will fall away on its own without any effort on your
    part.

    I’m not saying that there is something wrong with sex . . .
    Quite the opposite–I’m all for it! I think people
    should have all kinds of fun sexual explorations . . .

    . . . but I’d just caution you against going for it for
    the purposes of trying to fill some internal need, because you
    probably won’t get what you are looking for and will just
    feel worse because of it.

    I don’t know; I’m sort of rambling now, sorry!

    At any rate, best wishes to you!

    Steven

    April 4, 2008 at 10:18 pm #27966
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    >>…Yes it feels wery good to regularly meet this practioners.
    >>We meet about two times a mounth. I was the one starting the
    >>group and was the one that introduced all the exercises from
    >>the begining. I am the leader in that sence that I take the
    >>responsibility to plan what we shall do and when to meet and
    >>always take care of such questions. Today we are four that do
    >>the instructions for each new chapter. For the moment we are
    >>5 girls and me, and perhaps one more girl want to start with us.

    Oh, that’s cool.
    5 girls huh? No wonder you’ve got some pent up sexual tension 🙂

    …lol

    >>…Yes it will be fun!
    >>It not always though that I follow up my
    >>sometimes to ambitious plans. But sometimes I
    >>manage also. 🙂 Try anyway to see some kind of
    >>progression. Actually my biggest plan for the
    >>moment is to look at my adictions.

    Well it’s good to have goals.
    Just don’t be too hard on yourself

    …Thx. Sometimes need to hear that.

    >>…My main goal has been to take a Phd in Physical geodesy.
    >>For the moment I´m not shore, beacase I want to see that my
    >>healt is totaly improven first, otherwise I might make it worse
    >>and destroy my life. My plan in the meantime is to continue with
    >>teaching, but to add teaching also at a higher level, with master
    >>students. And to learn some computer programs in my field. To
    >>repeat a course in error theory and teach that to. I also want
    >>to learn more GIS and to study a subject I newly found that is
    >>coald geometrical statistics. Have been studying Mathematical
    >>statistics the last few years and would like to improve my
    >>knowledge in this field. Perhaps teach or work with GIS and
    >>geometrical statistics for a while is an idea.
    >>Thats my plans for the moment. Oh and to continuing with what
    >>I do no, teaching Surveying, I enjoy it quite alot. I think I am
    >>a good teacher and know how to explain things so that it looks
    >>simple. I have been interested in all kinds of psychology and read
    >>alot when I was younger. I have also learned some memory teqniques
    >>that I have used myself when studying and that is helpful to imrove
    >>my pedagogical skills as a teacher. I also have read about new ways
    >>of learning like creative mind mapping and other more fun and creative
    >>ways to present things for a public. I have been interested in and
    >>learned for the latest years also how to speak to a public and been
    >>working at the summers as a guide at a museum, just to improve
    >>comunication skílls and to have fun and money. (Just litle 🙂 )
    >>So I guess the best thing to do is to continuing with teaching
    >>untill I have improven my healt, I have the knowledge in the subjects
    >>and know how to teach well, so I can have a success even though I not
    >>feel so good, with my tiredness and so.

    Well that’s a lot of different stuff. The only thing I can
    say here is to just listen to your inner voice, and do what
    you hear your heart telling you what to do–not necessarily
    what you “think you *should* do”.

    …Yes it´s the same advise I had to you 🙂 This is my basic plans and I feel the must heart with the geometrical statistics and with being a teacher, for the moment. I have change my way the last years and are nowdays more into following the flow. So I feel wery much open to see what will happen in the future. But it feels also good that I have some interesting field that I want and perhaps will inquire in the future!

    >>In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness
    >>… It has helped me a litle bit. I have been able to do more
    >>physical exercises without feeling totaly weak. And perhaps
    >>also not need to sleep as much as before. But the improvement
    >>is not much yes, but we are increasing the treatment of thyroxin
    >>each weak and the good efect might first happen when we have
    >>reached a higher dosage. It will be interesting to see.
    >>…Another treatment is with homeopathy, the same doctor though.
    >>I have had a strong efect with it and just now he has given me
    >>the same pill with a higher potential.

    Best wishes with it.
    Focus your energies on how *good* you feel rather how *bad* you feel.
    I think it will help with programming, and speed your recovery.

    …Yes have been working alot within this area the latest years, but theire is also always a need to be reminded of it.

    >>…Another treatment is to use taoistic sexology dual cultivation
    >>to increase my enerhy. I feel intuitively that the sexual techniques
    >>might have a wery strong potentiality to cure my illness. So trying
    >>to find ways to stop being a celibate. 🙂 And I realy want to stop
    >>all pornography 🙁 Feel strongly that it not is good for me and
    >>have decided that if I will continue from know on then I will
    >>search for help in this matter. Not that I use pornography wery
    >>much but enoght much to not feel good from it. This is one of my
    >>main goals for the moment to change my way of dealing with my
    >>sexuality. It might be more important than learning new and more
    >>qigong methods, I have realised.

    I would encourage you to focus on self-love and healing your heart.
    Looking to the outside I don’t believe is the answer. You
    already have what you need. You just need to look within and
    realize it.

    Moreover, your “addiction” to porn is not something you can
    get rid of (I think) by just willpower or determination.
    You need to satisfy what you are really craving–which might
    be feelings of love, it might be unresolved sexual feelings,
    whatever it is–go inside and locate these feelings/desires.
    Ignoring them won’t work. Otherwise you are just in a tug-of-war
    and you won’t be able “to win”.

    If you practice a lot of self-love, practice opening your heart,
    and feel it radiate from within, then you won’t even need to *try*
    to get rid of addiction to porn. You will simply lose interest.
    The addiction will fall away on its own without any effort on your
    part.

    I’m not saying that there is something wrong with sex . . .
    Quite the opposite–I’m all for it! I think people
    should have all kinds of fun sexual explorations . . .

    . . . but I’d just caution you against going for it for
    the purposes of trying to fill some internal need, because you
    probably won’t get what you are looking for and will just
    feel worse because of it.

    I don’t know; I’m sort of rambling now, sorry!

    At any rate, best wishes to you!

    …Well I don´t either know. I just have a working plan for now. If I not stop it then I will search for some kind of help, and then I think such things you are describing, such issues as self-love, love, my inner real needs, might come into focus instead. Pehaps I just stop it without help also, just by will power.

    …I see some similarities to my other adiction, cofe. With both these, I have been able to not use them for months, but then I have coming back to them. With cofe it is easy, I just have to tell myself, I don´t need it, I just think I need it. If I then manage to exchange it for the and sleep, I will be fine.

    …I think it is the same way with porn. I don´t need it. I have my sexuality anyway. (This is new thought, just a try for the moment. ) I can enjoy my sexuality either by myself or with some one else I love or enjoy being with. I need to let other relationships in into my life instead of porn. Other experiences not neccessarily sex always. To be more open to life and enjoy more the life as it is. I think though the easiest way to get rid of sex is to let some of the girls around me into my life in a more sexy way. To be less afraid to do this. There in that is the solution. And to listen to what kind of person I realy need to be.

    …With both cofe and porn I must realise I have an adiction. I can´t think Ohh I can use it just know just this time, when I feel the need. Then I hooked and into it again. Most of the times anyway.

    …This is my main focuses of change for the moment. It have been an issue for me from time to time, and I know feel the need to realy make a change. So it will be interested to see whatever other issues will apear on that jorney!

    …Thx for the conversation!

    S D

    April 4, 2008 at 10:18 pm #27968
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    >>…Yes it feels wery good to regularly meet this practioners.
    >>We meet about two times a mounth. I was the one starting the
    >>group and was the one that introduced all the exercises from
    >>the begining. I am the leader in that sence that I take the
    >>responsibility to plan what we shall do and when to meet and
    >>always take care of such questions. Today we are four that do
    >>the instructions for each new chapter. For the moment we are
    >>5 girls and me, and perhaps one more girl want to start with us.

    Oh, that’s cool.
    5 girls huh? No wonder you’ve got some pent up sexual tension 🙂

    …lol

    >>…Yes it will be fun!
    >>It not always though that I follow up my
    >>sometimes to ambitious plans. But sometimes I
    >>manage also. 🙂 Try anyway to see some kind of
    >>progression. Actually my biggest plan for the
    >>moment is to look at my adictions.

    Well it’s good to have goals.
    Just don’t be too hard on yourself

    …Thx. Sometimes need to hear that.

    >>…My main goal has been to take a Phd in Physical geodesy.
    >>For the moment I´m not shore, beacase I want to see that my
    >>healt is totaly improven first, otherwise I might make it worse
    >>and destroy my life. My plan in the meantime is to continue with
    >>teaching, but to add teaching also at a higher level, with master
    >>students. And to learn some computer programs in my field. To
    >>repeat a course in error theory and teach that to. I also want
    >>to learn more GIS and to study a subject I newly found that is
    >>coald geometrical statistics. Have been studying Mathematical
    >>statistics the last few years and would like to improve my
    >>knowledge in this field. Perhaps teach or work with GIS and
    >>geometrical statistics for a while is an idea.
    >>Thats my plans for the moment. Oh and to continuing with what
    >>I do no, teaching Surveying, I enjoy it quite alot. I think I am
    >>a good teacher and know how to explain things so that it looks
    >>simple. I have been interested in all kinds of psychology and read
    >>alot when I was younger. I have also learned some memory teqniques
    >>that I have used myself when studying and that is helpful to imrove
    >>my pedagogical skills as a teacher. I also have read about new ways
    >>of learning like creative mind mapping and other more fun and creative
    >>ways to present things for a public. I have been interested in and
    >>learned for the latest years also how to speak to a public and been
    >>working at the summers as a guide at a museum, just to improve
    >>comunication skílls and to have fun and money. (Just litle 🙂 )
    >>So I guess the best thing to do is to continuing with teaching
    >>untill I have improven my healt, I have the knowledge in the subjects
    >>and know how to teach well, so I can have a success even though I not
    >>feel so good, with my tiredness and so.

    Well that’s a lot of different stuff. The only thing I can
    say here is to just listen to your inner voice, and do what
    you hear your heart telling you what to do–not necessarily
    what you “think you *should* do”.

    …Yes it´s the same advise I had to you 🙂 This is my basic plans and I feel the must heart with the geometrical statistics and with being a teacher, for the moment. I have change my way the last years and are nowdays more into following the flow. So I feel wery much open to see what will happen in the future. But it feels also good that I have some interesting field that I want and perhaps will inquire in the future!

    >>In the mean time I do alot medical treatments on my illness
    >>… It has helped me a litle bit. I have been able to do more
    >>physical exercises without feeling totaly weak. And perhaps
    >>also not need to sleep as much as before. But the improvement
    >>is not much yes, but we are increasing the treatment of thyroxin
    >>each weak and the good efect might first happen when we have
    >>reached a higher dosage. It will be interesting to see.
    >>…Another treatment is with homeopathy, the same doctor though.
    >>I have had a strong efect with it and just now he has given me
    >>the same pill with a higher potential.

    Best wishes with it.
    Focus your energies on how *good* you feel rather how *bad* you feel.
    I think it will help with programming, and speed your recovery.

    …Yes have been working alot within this area the latest years, but theire is also always a need to be reminded of it.

    >>…Another treatment is to use taoistic sexology dual cultivation
    >>to increase my enerhy. I feel intuitively that the sexual techniques
    >>might have a wery strong potentiality to cure my illness. So trying
    >>to find ways to stop being a celibate. 🙂 And I realy want to stop
    >>all pornography 🙁 Feel strongly that it not is good for me and
    >>have decided that if I will continue from know on then I will
    >>search for help in this matter. Not that I use pornography wery
    >>much but enoght much to not feel good from it. This is one of my
    >>main goals for the moment to change my way of dealing with my
    >>sexuality. It might be more important than learning new and more
    >>qigong methods, I have realised.

    I would encourage you to focus on self-love and healing your heart.
    Looking to the outside I don’t believe is the answer. You
    already have what you need. You just need to look within and
    realize it.

    Moreover, your “addiction” to porn is not something you can
    get rid of (I think) by just willpower or determination.
    You need to satisfy what you are really craving–which might
    be feelings of love, it might be unresolved sexual feelings,
    whatever it is–go inside and locate these feelings/desires.
    Ignoring them won’t work. Otherwise you are just in a tug-of-war
    and you won’t be able “to win”.

    If you practice a lot of self-love, practice opening your heart,
    and feel it radiate from within, then you won’t even need to *try*
    to get rid of addiction to porn. You will simply lose interest.
    The addiction will fall away on its own without any effort on your
    part.

    I’m not saying that there is something wrong with sex . . .
    Quite the opposite–I’m all for it! I think people
    should have all kinds of fun sexual explorations . . .

    . . . but I’d just caution you against going for it for
    the purposes of trying to fill some internal need, because you
    probably won’t get what you are looking for and will just
    feel worse because of it.

    I don’t know; I’m sort of rambling now, sorry!

    At any rate, best wishes to you!

    …Well I don´t either know. I just have a working plan for now. If I not stop it then I will search for some kind of help, and then I think such things you are describing, such issues as self-love, love, my inner real needs, might come into focus instead. Pehaps I just stop it without help also, just by will power.

    …I see some similarities to my other adiction, cofe. With both these, I have been able to not use them for months, but then I have coming back to them. With cofe it is easy, I just have to tell myself, I don´t need it, I just think I need it. If I then manage to exchange it for the and sleep, I will be fine.

    …I think it is the same way with porn. I don´t need it. I have my sexuality anyway. (This is new thought, just a try for the moment. ) I can enjoy my sexuality either by myself or with some one else I love or enjoy being with. I need to let other relationships in into my life instead of porn. Other experiences not neccessarily sex always. To be more open to life and enjoy more the life as it is. I think though the easiest way to get rid of sex is to let some of the girls around me into my life in a more sexy way. To be less afraid to do this. There in that is the solution. And to listen to what kind of person I realy need to be.

    …With both cofe and porn I must realise I have an adiction. I can´t think Ohh I can use it just know just this time, when I feel the need. Then I hooked and into it again. Most of the times anyway.

    …This is my main focuses of change for the moment. It have been an issue for me from time to time, and I know feel the need to realy make a change. So it will be interested to see whatever other issues will apear on that jorney!

    …Thx for the conversation!

    S D

    April 4, 2008 at 11:38 pm #27970
    Steven
    Moderator

    >>…Well I don´t either know.
    >>I just have a working plan for now.
    >>If I not stop it then I will search for some kind
    >>of help, and then I think such things you are describing,
    >>such issues as self-love, love, my inner real needs,
    >>might come into focus instead. Pehaps I just stop it without
    >>help also, just by will power.

    In my search for understanding addiction, I think that willpower
    doesn’t really work. Even if a person is “successful” in stopping
    whatever, the desire is still lurking behind the scenes and eventually
    slipping back into it is a good chance at some point.

    In other words, even if you’ve stopped the behavior, the addiction
    is still present.

    >>…I see some similarities to my other adiction, cofe.
    >>With both these, I have been able to not use them for months,
    >>but then I have coming back to them. With cofe it is easy,
    >>I just have to tell myself, I don´t need it, I just think I
    >>need it. If I then manage to exchange it for the and sleep,
    >>I will be fine.

    Yeah, I understand this process. I think that this is
    sort of halfway to the solution.

    The reality is, some part of the person *does* need it. That’s
    why there is a craving, or is an addiction. There is something deep
    within that is not being satisfied–that’s why the desire
    is there.

    >>…With both cofe and porn I must realise I have an adiction.
    >>I can´t think Ohh I can use it just know just this time,
    >>when I feel the need. Then I hooked and into it again.
    >>Most of the times anyway.

    Yeah, but that’s what I mean. When you satisfy the true
    internal desire, you won’t think “Ohh I can use it just now
    just this time, when I feel the need” [as you say], because you won’t
    feel the need to begin with! I don’t know if this makes sense.

    For instance, I don’t have to say to myself, “I don’t need to look
    at porn” or something to convince me not to look. I don’t have
    to try to remind myself to stay away from it, or give myself
    self-talk to discourage me–the idea just doesn’t sound good.
    Even if through some fluke I happened across some porn, it
    wouldn’t reawaken the desire to get back into it, because it
    carries the same attraction to me as looking at a picture
    of a rock. The magnet is gone.

    This is sort of the best way I can describe being free from
    an addiction.

    At least for me, every addiction that I’ve *tried* to get rid
    of, I’ve not been successful at doing so. However, every addiction
    that I no longer have, is no longer present, because it fell
    away on its own–without my doing anything *to the addiction itself*!

    In my search for why this happened, the best I can figure
    out is what I’ve tried to describe . . . that somehow, someway,
    I stumbled upon what my deep internal soul was really wanting,
    and began inadvertently giving it that. Since my deep needs
    started being met, whatever I was addicted to gradually became
    less and less without any effort at all, until gone.

    It’s hard to pinpoint the exact mechanism; and believe me I’m
    still trying. I can really only describe the after-effects.
    The thing that I have noticed tends to be true (at least for
    me, and I’d imagine others as well): the more I focused on
    trying to get rid of an addiction–through *whatever* strategy,
    the less successful I’d be . . . even if successful in the short
    term, I’d go back to it. The times I did get rid of an addiction
    it seemed to follow the pattern of: 1. not worry about the addiction,
    and just continue to do it, and cast no judgements on it. 2. while
    having this attitude, do internal work to locate areas where I felt a
    hole inside, and tried to do work to fill the hole 3. then addiction
    falls away naturally without me trying as the desire disappears
    4. as the desire started disappearing, it was almost as if I had
    to force myself to continue the addiction just out of habit, because
    the desire was becoming less and less. 5. eventually, it had so
    little attraction or desire and I was doing it so infrequently I
    just stopped because I saw little point to continue.

    It’s hard to explain!

    The thing is, I remember what it was like to be hooked on
    caffeine and to be hooked on porn, and remember the same
    back-and-forth quitting and returning to it pattern, and
    trying different things, and yet I know how I feel now, and
    can remember the transition when it dropped–and that’s the
    best I can describe it.

    Sorry to babble on and on. Through the many addictions
    I’ve had in my life, I find addiction to be interesting.
    When someone has an addiction or addictions, there
    are things you can learn, that you just can’t learn
    through other means–and sometimes that’s maybe why we
    have them to begin with. In other words, consider it
    opportunity to have it teach you something about yourself.

    S

    April 5, 2008 at 5:42 am #27972
    Swedich Dragon
    Participant

    >>…Well I don´t either know.
    >>I just have a working plan for now.
    >>If I not stop it then I will search for some kind
    >>of help, and then I think such things you are describing,
    >>such issues as self-love, love, my inner real needs,
    >>might come into focus instead. Pehaps I just stop it without
    >>help also, just by will power.

    In my search for understanding addiction, I think that willpower
    doesn’t really work. Even if a person is “successful” in stopping
    whatever, the desire is still lurking behind the scenes and eventually
    slipping back into it is a good chance at some point.

    In other words, even if you’ve stopped the behavior, the addiction
    is still present.

    …Yes you are right, I realise just willpower isn´t enough. But the willpower is the starting point for change! I feel I have made a decission to work on this issue seriously. In the same manner as I work with qigong and my health problem.

    >>…I see some similarities to my other adiction, cofe.
    >>With both these, I have been able to not use them for months,
    >>but then I have coming back to them. With cofe it is easy,
    >>I just have to tell myself, I don´t need it, I just think I
    >>need it. If I then manage to exchange it for the and sleep,
    >>I will be fine.

    Yeah, I understand this process. I think that this is
    sort of halfway to the solution.

    The reality is, some part of the person *does* need it. That’s
    why there is a craving, or is an addiction. There is something deep
    within that is not being satisfied–that’s why the desire
    is there.

    …Yes, it is the halfway to the solution. Beacase in my own life I see that the adiction might come back even though have getting rid of it for mounths. I can see when succesful, self love is important. I think also to go into the inner soul and see what kind of person you want to be, and what you need in your life that you not are allowing yourself is important issues.

    >>…With both cofe and porn I must realise I have an adiction.
    >>I can´t think Ohh I can use it just know just this time,
    >>when I feel the need. Then I hooked and into it again.
    >>Most of the times anyway.

    Yeah, but that’s what I mean. When you satisfy the true
    internal desire, you won’t think “Ohh I can use it just now
    just this time, when I feel the need” [as you say], because you won’t
    feel the need to begin with! I don’t know if this makes sense.

    For instance, I don’t have to say to myself, “I don’t need to look
    at porn” or something to convince me not to look. I don’t have
    to try to remind myself to stay away from it, or give myself
    self-talk to discourage me–the idea just doesn’t sound good.
    Even if through some fluke I happened across some porn, it
    wouldn’t reawaken the desire to get back into it, because it
    carries the same attraction to me as looking at a picture
    of a rock. The magnet is gone.

    This is sort of the best way I can describe being free from
    an addiction.

    At least for me, every addiction that I’ve *tried* to get rid
    of, I’ve not been successful at doing so. However, every addiction
    that I no longer have, is no longer present, because it fell
    away on its own–without my doing anything *to the addiction itself*!

    In my search for why this happened, the best I can figure
    out is what I’ve tried to describe . . . that somehow, someway,
    I stumbled upon what my deep internal soul was really wanting,
    and began inadvertently giving it that. Since my deep needs
    started being met, whatever I was addicted to gradually became
    less and less without any effort at all, until gone.

    It’s hard to pinpoint the exact mechanism; and believe me I’m
    still trying. I can really only describe the after-effects.
    The thing that I have noticed tends to be true (at least for
    me, and I’d imagine others as well): the more I focused on
    trying to get rid of an addiction–through *whatever* strategy,
    the less successful I’d be . . . even if successful in the short
    term, I’d go back to it. The times I did get rid of an addiction
    it seemed to follow the pattern of: 1. not worry about the addiction,
    and just continue to do it, and cast no judgements on it. 2. while
    having this attitude, do internal work to locate areas where I felt a
    hole inside, and tried to do work to fill the hole 3. then addiction
    falls away naturally without me trying as the desire disappears
    4. as the desire started disappearing, it was almost as if I had
    to force myself to continue the addiction just out of habit, because
    the desire was becoming less and less. 5. eventually, it had so
    little attraction or desire and I was doing it so infrequently I
    just stopped because I saw little point to continue.

    …
    1 Yes to cast no judgement is self love. To apriciate oneself in every situation, this change the underlying force that allows you to keep on with things not good for yourself.

    2 This most be an important point and one I have to look more into, when working with my own addictions

    3 Yes, I also think. You have an adiction you have desire and thats good. In this desire there is potential for change. It is more like a matter of changing the direction of the desire into things you need more at a deeper soul level. Instead of continuing with letting the desire only work at a level that is much less satisfing on a deeper level=adicttion. To let your good energy be alive and not let it go into less good activities.

    4 The desire has found it right way to satisfie you inner souls need. And doesn´t have to be outlived in a less good way.

    It’s hard to explain!

    The thing is, I remember what it was like to be hooked on
    caffeine and to be hooked on porn, and remember the same
    back-and-forth quitting and returning to it pattern, and
    trying different things, and yet I know how I feel now, and
    can remember the transition when it dropped–and that’s the
    best I can describe it.

    Sorry to babble on and on. Through the many addictions
    I’ve had in my life, I find addiction to be interesting.
    When someone has an addiction or addictions, there
    are things you can learn, that you just can’t learn
    through other means–and sometimes that’s maybe why we
    have them to begin with. In other words, consider it
    opportunity to have it teach you something about yourself.

    …It´s no problem with the babling 🙂

    …Yes it is interesting with adictions. And it is good to have such an attitude to see it as a way to learn more about yourself, myself. Thanks for writing this.

    S D

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