October 13, 2015 at 9:24 am #44979
I am become interested in learning this traditional form. Apparently transmitted by Master Yu Anren.
Does anyone know it, and can give advice ? It is quite different learning this kind of form that MW’s work.
This is more like dancing, and having little explanation about it’s effect.
And I wouldn’t necessarily be able to tell the real thing from a fake, but I do like the look of it.
Also the music is cool, but I imagine it doesn’t automatically play when you do the form!
Anyone with experience ?
thanksOctober 13, 2015 at 9:27 am #44980
The other thing about this kind of form is that the positioning of the body is sometimes quite subtle and I am not exactly sure whether a small hand movement is intended and so on. And this gives me the feeling that maybe I am not doing it right.October 13, 2015 at 11:07 am #44982
I’m not familiar with that form, but MW does teach a form called swimming dragon on his sexual vitality qigong DVD, and it is also on YouTube:October 13, 2015 at 11:16 am #44984
Thanks … I have seen it, it’s a different Swimming Dragon .. MW’s one is a bit more cosmic !!!!October 20, 2015 at 11:05 am #44986
It would seem to be no and maybe yes.
For long time one would need to do things very superficially if one would choose to learn and practice long series immediately.
So if one would have mastered all fundamental skills then one might get that far to practice long form.
But I would still question if it wouldn’t be better to treat single forms/techniques as a kind of units which one should learn, in improvised manner, to combine with other units?
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC5A9Zu9Af8 (taichicombat)October 20, 2015 at 12:44 pm #44988
And it is a total nightmare having this kind of form because you don’t know the internal exercises for each move.
However … if you are motivated you can reverse engineer the form. And you can breakdown the form into 20 sections and use each as a kind of short silk reeling exercise.
Of course you have to be very motivated to do this !!! Anyway this is the only option because there are no teachers near me.
… after a while it is nice to do a form, otherwise you just have little exercises … but you are still not a dragon.
Everyone wants to be a dragon !
Don’t you get a headache sleeping like that ??
> thanks for the silk reeling videosOctober 20, 2015 at 5:06 pm #44990
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…of course you have to be very motivated to do this !!! Anyway this is the only option because there are no teachers near me…
It’s better to become one’s own guru immediately.
In my opinion.
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.October 23, 2015 at 7:36 am #44992
I like your style.
Howdy to you too !
Some Italian idioms :
In Bocca al Lupo : Into the wolfs mouth (good luck in this difficult task)
Crepi il lupo : May the wolf die (I am going anyway)
Una fetta di culo : “(would you also like) A slice of my ass ?”
(a bucket of water for your horse)October 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm #44994
The thing I would like to know about this form, is if this is a ‘real’ form.
What do I mean by ‘real’ ?
Well, if someone had a few beers one day started dancing around and said, ‘I think I am going to invent a new gong !!!’ … that’s not what I am looking for.
Do the movements have a meaning ?
Are they transmitted ?
Looking at the movements, they are very smooth and graceful but … what is their meaning with regards chi ? Are they actually doing anything with the chi, or just making spaghetti of it ?
Well, I suppose I could just try it for a while and see myself …
Any thoughts ?October 24, 2015 at 9:41 pm #44996
The Taoists reasoned that a fetus could not breath through its under-developed lungs while still in the womp. They believed that it “breathed” through the umbilical cord, which was attached to the mother’s navel. When it “inhaled energy,” it did so by contracting its abdomen. When it “exhaled” the abdomen would be pushed forward to help expel waste. As practitioners of the neijia, we breathe in the same manner.
-PHILLIP STARR, Developing Jin-Silk Reeling Power in Tai Chi and the Internal Martial Arts
Let’s make short analysis of these books.
1) DAVIDINE SIAW-VOON SIM & DAVID GAFFEY
Chen Style Taijiquan-The Source of Taiji Boxing
2) MARK CHEN
Old Frame Chen Family Taijiquan
3) JIN JING ZHONG
Authentic Shaolin Heritage: Training Methods Of 72 Arts Of Shaolin
First book lacks pictures but it has very good general analysis how to practice.
Second one has ‘Chen Style Old Frame, First Form’ presented very nicely with pictures.
For example the first one has very good short article about BA FA (8 kinetic movements of taijiquan) pp. 152-156.
Although it doesn’t have any pictures, it refers to form where some particular technique is employed.
These one can pick from the second book.
Ba Fa: peng, lu, ji, an, cai, lie, zhou, kao.
So for example PENG => transition from #5 Single Whip to #6 Buddha’s Warrior Attendant Pounds Mortar.
Or LU => transition from #3 Lazily Tying Coat to #4 Six Sealing and Four Closing.
Third book is good for certain type of NINJA things like running, climbing, diving etc. besides more direct martial arts stuff.
I mentioned these simply to have something to compare in book form.
Sorry for my broken English.
Ps. ‘Developing Jin’ is not only good for those who are interested about martial arts, but is has enough unusual material for those who are more neutrally interested about qigong (standing, moving, breathing in controlled manner).October 25, 2015 at 1:33 am #44998
Those examples above (peng & lu) one can find, as partnered versions, for example from ‘Chen Style Taijiquan’ by Feng Zhiqiang & Chen Xiaowang, pp. 20-24.
HOWDYOctober 25, 2015 at 3:59 am #45000
Interesting books … but I am moving in the direction of surrender now, it’s different.
I’ve given up fighting, I would like to be part of something bigger than myself.
What do you think of this Swimming Dragon form ? How does it feel to you ?October 27, 2015 at 8:19 pm #45002
Well, there you have it: thorough introduction to the real art of chansi-jin. You now have the tools with which to build a strong foundation. It’s up to you to use them. I know that some of you are wondering whether I’ll get around to writing more books about how to use this special jin in the forms of xingyiquan, baguazhang, and taijiquan. The answer is yes-that’s my intention. I deliberately did not include that information and training in this text because it would make this book so large that you’d need a wheelbarrow to carry it around. Besides, you must first train individual techniques…
-PHILLIP STARR, Developing Jin-Silk Reeling Power in Tai Chi and the Internal Martial Arts
This is really first class book also for non-martial artist enthusiast.
But, in my opinion, presentation of breathing practices is actually too simplified.
Also abdominal drills certainly deserve yogic treatment.
But really let’s look forward if he keeps his promise and will continue to offer, also in the future, similar valuable material.
HOWDYOctober 28, 2015 at 12:13 am #45004
No, I’m not familiar with this book.
Your book description looks decent, but my biggest problem is lack of free time to investigate and read outside sources. There are a number of Healing Tao practices that I’m continuing to work on and develop. I’m intentionally being very focused on certain material for the purpose of advancement. The biggest problem with too much outside source consultation is that it can act as a real drag to progress, as you end up getting scattered in many different directions and then consequently get nowhere.
So while the book looks good, I don’t anticipate exploration on my end.
StevenNovember 1, 2015 at 3:14 am #45006
This is a general name given to postures which one holds in place for prolonged periods of time – anywhere between 2 minutes and 2 hours. These postures are related to postures used in actual fighting, and are sometimes identical to them. Initially, these postures are taught as static training stances. After a short amount of time though, the practitioner would be taught how to move the muscles and connective tissues on a minute level from the inside of the body, making these stances very dynamic internally, and more challenging to train. The most common Zhan Zhuang among all Xing Yi schools is San Ti Shi (it is the stance demonstrated by Sun Lutang in the picture at the beginning of the article). Other common stances are: Hun Yuan Zhuang, Wu Ji Zhuang, Fu Hu Zhuang, Xiang Long Zhuang and their many variants…some teachers consider Zhan Zhuang to be the most important practice in Xing Yi, while others neglect to train and teach them altogether. The use of the Santi Shi (三体势) Zhan Zhuang as the main training method in Xing Yi dates back to Li Luoneng – the founder of modern version of the art. In Dai XinYi, the central and most important training method is called ‘Squatting Monkey’ – a dynamic movement exercise rather than a dynamic posture held in place. In the Geng Jishan/Deng Yunfeng/Rose Li tradition, the phrase Santi is sometimes replaced by “central equilibrium stance”.
Sorry, but very simple reason to suggest to become familiar with this particular book is this subtle aspect of training.
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