September 3, 2006 at 3:40 am #17404
It is funny I was taking to my uncle who is a priest. He was telling me about how he had a real ruff time getting his church to see that it is the dualistic way they view the world that was the problem, also to get them to see them selves was both being human and divine like Jesus, and that ever lasting life is your birth right. He blow some blue haired ladies minds telling them “you can do no good or evil”. He was using the story of adam and eve.September 3, 2006 at 6:52 am #17405
I personally do not understand why, when people realize a religion is full of shit, they don’t just leave the religion. I guess he could do some good where he is? NNSeptember 4, 2006 at 5:23 am #17407
Well I make a distinction between religion – a method of controlling people for political ends as often as not – and the wisdom and spiritual experience upon which it is based. NNSeptember 4, 2006 at 5:59 am #17409
I’m sorry if I seem very harsh on religion or whatever. I have no religion myself and feel much better without it, just relying on direct experience – but I do realize that the right religion for the right person can do alot of good. This excerpt from “Adventures Beyond the Body” by William Buhlman sums up my attitude really well:
In the last few years of my nonphysical explorations, I’m come to realize that the more experienced and familiar we are with the nonphysical dimensions of the universe, the more expansive are our choices after physical death. The nonphysical (spiritual) options available to us increase exponentially with our ability to explore the source of all energy and life. This is more important than I can begin to express. The vast majority of humanity dies in complete ignorance of its spiritual existence. Even though many people possess firm religious beliefs, their firsthand knowledge of their spiritual identity and their continuing existence after death is zero…
Different groups of people hold different concepts of heaven. For example, the Islamic perspective differs from the Christian viewpoint. Keep in mind that nonphysical environments are thought-responsive; each major religion and social group has created its own concept of heaven according to that group’s beliefs and convictions. Many of these energy environments are extremely old and well established by the collective consciousnes of their inhabitants. Much as in the physical world, most people are content to adapt to the concensus reality inhabited and created by their friends and loved ones. And why not? It’s incredibly pleasant when compared to matter. There are magnificent landscapes and environments to discover and explore. All the most beautiful and inspiring sights of earth are available, plus much more. Every tree and blade of grass radiate a vibrant spectrum of colour that’s beyond our imagination… It’s only natural that the inhabitants would conclude that this must be the ultimate reality – heaven…
There’s only one problem: the vast majority of the nonphysical inhabitants (billions of them) are unaware that other, even more magnificent energy dimensions exist just beyond the limits of their nonphysical perception. These spectacular energy dimensions consist of endless frequencies of pure energy and light, each more radiant than the last – a progression of living light existing far beyond our frail concepts of form and substance into the very heart of the multidimensional universe.
best NNSeptember 4, 2006 at 4:05 pm #17411
A man stops at a Dave’s Burgers and Fries for some food. He order a burger, fries and a shake.
The guy behind the counter gives him tofu, celery sticks and carrot juice.
Moral of the story… The guy behind the counter is a schmuck.
You can disagree with other people’s opinions and preferences, but don’t say your something when your not.
Catching someone off guard and blowing their mind is violent and aggressive and not something to be praise no matter which side you agree with.September 4, 2006 at 7:21 pm #17413
I appreciate your view in the context of your story. But the story does not honner the relationship my uncle has with his church. Speaking of being respectful or polite. I do not see how calling my uncle a schmuck is polite, or respectful.September 4, 2006 at 10:25 pm #17415
Is your uncle a schmuck? I don’t know.
You used the word priest, which makes me think of the Catholic Church. So conditionally, if you uncle is a priest in the Catholic Church and you accurately represented his views and message, I guess he would be a schmuck.
And respect is not something freely given. Respect is an initial courtesy and then something earned. If someone is not worthy of respect, then there is no reason to give them respect.
Be a wolf or be a sheep, but don’t ask that I treat a sheep like a wolf just because they have a title or costume.
If your uncle has his own personal religion, that’s fine. But it’s not fine to use the title of X and then preaches Y. That’s a schmuck.September 5, 2006 at 12:28 am #17417September 5, 2006 at 12:32 am #17419September 5, 2006 at 1:18 am #17421September 5, 2006 at 2:03 am #17423
I can tell this is a touchie subject for you. Being polite and being respectfully is part of the deep rememberance of who you always speak to. Even better is the deep acceptance that comes with time. I still like your main point. But again it does not honner the specific relationship.
He would say he is much worse then a schmuk, but at the same time divine. In his mind there is no war, just god. My Uncle is officially Episcopalian. He calls him self a cristian existentialist.September 5, 2006 at 7:37 am #17425September 7, 2006 at 12:03 am #17427
I mean, come on Man!
after lengthy good spirited discussion in the past I just throw my arms up.
the best I can say is that you are clinging to a flimsy cosmology you don’t really “believe” is true..
I have tried so hard over the years to be understanding of others and you jusy eventually get fed up..
Now please, your letter implies (Ithink to anyone with common sense) that if a preacher claims to be catholic and says that Hell is an existential state, that Stan is in fact within people, and that everlasting life is a gift of universal love,
then he is a schmuch..
I can only interpolate that you adhere to the the “Jesus is the ONly Way to Heaven School”
How anyone could believe such a thing is beyond me.. perhpas someone with a mental problem, a true schitzophrenic, a dazed confused meentally challeneged person..
there is just NO WAY..
there is nothing in the premise that responds to any sort of mental testing aas truth..
the space between th elines is that peolpe are “forced” into a confession/baptism because they are told to.. and threatened…
How can that be human? to force people into confessions they don’t believe?September 7, 2006 at 12:04 am #17429September 7, 2006 at 12:35 pm #17431
We know by now that we’ll disagree about most ideas. That’s fine. But let’s be honest in what we believe and how we represent ourselves.
If you go back to the initial post of this thread you’ll find 4 statements from a priest in a church.
1) the dualistic way we view the world is the problem
2) we are both human and divine like Jesus
3) ever lasting life is your birth right
4) you can do no good or evil
I don’t know all of the precepts of the different flavors of Christian doctrine, but these statements need explaining. I don’t believe they are all in line with Christian doctrine.
It’s one thing to say you are a Christian and not believe. It’s quite another to be a priest, not believe in Christian doctrine and then to preach that to the congregation.
If your understanding of the truth evolves and expands over time, don’t keep the same label just because you like having an audience.
And just because you think a doctrine is wrong, doesn’t mean you should applaud when members are coerced into listening to another view.
Would you applaud a Pilates teacher who taught Taoist breathing but told the students it was Pilates style breathing?
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