December 13, 2004 at 9:44 am #2415
interesting to read about people’s experiences. some people swear by the clasics, others “just do it,” and others still mix and match techeings and practices. i don’t think one way is better or worse than another since we’re al doing this in our own way.
i would like to say something about the classics though, comments based on almost 20 years of study and practice and life in the central kingdom itself. the clasical daoist texts and religious daoism are for people in a distant culture witha very different psychological make up and significantly different qualities of qi (jing and qi). studying these things can provide an excellent mental foundation and historical context for daoist alchemy. however, this type of alchemy, and even the martial arts associated with daoism and buddhism like taiji, wushu, and qigong, have undergone a lot of evolution in the West. the resulting innovations are much better than some of th ancient methods. some of the ancient teachings have become obsolete even.
one reason china remains a third world country today is because for 1000’s of years it scorned innovation. the whole culture was based on copying the ancients and avoiding things that are new. so although really magnificient and ineffable things from the past were preserved, theya re still from the past. the daoists continued to innovate and evolve secretly, but they were limited by their numbers and their secrecy. this arrogance over “their” knowledge is reflected in so many people i’ve talked toa bout qigong, alchemy and martial arts–they think foreigners couldn’t possily do any of it well let alone improve upon it. the result? massive and profound poverty and ignorance in the world’s most populace country that once had the most advanced scientific, artistic, and philosophical culture out there.
the West has valued innovation and improvement (unfortunately even when it isn’t!) for a very long time. exceptions can be made during the dark ages and medieval times. in the last 50 years much of the West has completed the transition from being traditional societies to nontraditional societies.
so value these ancient teachings as wisdom and heritage. but do not get attached to them. always let your innerself (known by many names and terms) guid you nd your progress and don’t automatically reject somethihgn because it’s not in the ancient texts. you may even invent the next great thing to advance human consciousness yourself.December 13, 2004 at 10:34 am #2416
I couldn’t agree with you more. I remember reading about miracle cures from India and Russia. Meantime the life expectancy at the time in India was late 40’s. Russia was barely 60’s and falling fast. Whatever gems they have are buried by a lot of soot.
Nothing is altogether new. Every generation has its self help fads, its new age guru types. Recycle and recycling.
But never before have we had so much available to so many. The problem is, its so available, so easy to get, so cheap, so many styles and teachers its easy to disregard and devalue.
We live better then the kings of yore, with more information available then the most famous scribes.
I really think.. wait a second Gilligans Island is on, I’ll have to complete this deep thought later. 🙂
MichaelDecember 13, 2004 at 10:55 am #2418
> I couldn’t agree with you more >
Excellent!, now i get to take the complete opposite view. 😀
To me, the classics point to the essentials that’ve always been true. Are we still physical~spiritual beings?: yup. Full of desire, distraction, confusion?: yup. Is the basic path to work the physical, blend the energies, and resolve into (some version of) emptiness?: yup. Between heaven and earth?: yup. All the basic points are the same.December 13, 2004 at 1:24 pm #2420
true, but easy to get lost in the cultural trappings that are no longer ueful, maybe even harmful in some cases. but this is exactly why i say the clasics are still importatn for that perspective.
funny thing is, my friends and i last night were just talking about how prophetic South Park is. we don’t why and we can’t explain it, but several episodes of that cartoon have made very keen observations about various issues. often scenarios it presents come to pass or are later revealed thru other “more credible” means. sometimes it confirms things i got thru meditation or practice, and sometimes meditations, practices or other modern day sages confirm things first “prophesied” in South Park. seems the face and medium for our sages has changed dramatically over the ages. the status quo may have viewed laozi or zhuangzi the same way they view south park today…..December 14, 2004 at 10:31 am #2422
South Park is my guilty pleasure #9.
They had one episode where Starvin Marvin tries to find sanctuary for his people among enlightened aliens. The Aliens spoke in only one world, Markbar.
Everything is Markbar. Everything and everyone was Markbar, I think the only exception was the one who got eaten by a lion, he said,
“Oh, Markbar 🙁 “.
The adults couldn’t converse with the aliens, but the kids instinctively could. They just substituted the feeling of the word they meant into Markbar and spoke normally (in Markbars).
Clear as mud? You grok? Well I think there is a very important spiritual truth there.
Since the aliens were ENLIGHTENED they saw everything as one. One being markbar.
MichaelDecember 14, 2004 at 10:55 am #2424
As we pierce the veil, even the most tightly wound soul will acknowledge that South Park was right. All those pent up desires come out of escrow and the tightly wound soul gets the best reentry ride of any of us.
-YodaDecember 14, 2004 at 9:18 pm #2426
that was a different episode with different aliens, ho ultimately communicated in one word also, “Moo.” during which they apologized to all the cows for the cattle mutilations and left them with a device that caused people to turn into one of those cheesey cartoon characters from the 30’s and sing “i love to singa, bout the moona in the junea and the springa.” another great truth–one or the most horrifying fates that can befall us is a life of false joy and bullshit sincerity….
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